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[Dephormation]

Alex,

be careful if you do attend.

These guys have employed professional PR men to present themselves. If you suspect you're being manipulated, don't sit there and cooperate.

TBH I think we've already been stitched up. Phorm have had days to prepare for this. They announce it at short notice to wrong foot objectors. And organise it in London away from the people hit by their trials in the South West. Note that Phorm get the last word on the agenda.

It is a PR presentation, not a debate. (What on earth is a privacy campaigner like Simon doing organising a meeting like this for a firm with credentials like Phorm? ££).

They will take any concession as an endorsement of their company.

Preparation is key. Take notes in a summary and detail if you have time. A quick ref, and a detailed ref. with quotes. Take some prints of the reg articles too.

Good luck. Please do give them hell.

Pete.

[Ravenheart]

I would love to have attended the meeting, but as I'm currently waiting a knee replacement, don't drive, and the fact that London is a nightmare to travel around on public transport if you have a disability are all factors.

I wish those attending the meeting all the best.

[Dephormation]

Oh Christ its just hit me. Clever PR people would pack the audience for the camera, probably with their own staff/Phorm investors. And preselect the question list.

I sincerely hope that doesn't happen, but with the calibre and number of PR companies involved you might wonder.

Simon's 80/20 firm are strategic partners with PR consultants Burson-Marsteller.

Phorms list of PR consultants supposedly includes Citigate, Freud, John Stonborough, and Burson-Marsteller.

So I guess they're working together on this.

[AlexanderHanff]

Backing down in the face of possible adversary is not the way to win a battle or get your message heard. Irrespective of the purpose of the meeting (although I have to admit I don't think it is anything sinister) I have a responsibility to myself, to everyone else who has been active on this issue and more importantly to my son, to ensure he retains the right to privacy and liberty.

If we all just sit back and wait for someone else to take a stand, before we realise it, no-one has and the consequences are dire.

Alexander Hanff

[popper]

Raven, its still possible to effect things even if your not going, for instance i asked this before, did anyone email sir bernard to see if he can come here and take part.

perhaps he might want to make it to the PIA and give his support to the the peoples speaker

and/or get some independent airtime to take full advantage of the situation if it turns out to be a PR exercise, perhaps even get some more airtime than a 30second spot or less on C4 news?

pitching a question time style round table live net stream and many more smaller projects.

its a pitty the UK 18doughtystreet http://search.virginmedia.com/result...t&cr=&x=43&y=9

doesnt seem to be running or exist anymore, is there anything like that available now were at least some real 21st century net TV coverage could take place today?.

[Gary L]

According to this report Virgin Media have already passed on customer data to Phorm.

"Phorm has initially populated the OIX with data gathered from BT, Virgin and Carphone Warehouse on users’ internet browsing habits. Many observers believe this is a step too far in terms of compromising privacy issues."

http://tinyurl.com/49sywm

[popper]

already covered and your tiny url is broken..

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by popper

already covered and your tiny url is broken..

Which page number? life's too short

[popper]

take a key word (longer than 3 letters)and pop it into the search posts above and you get
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/se...archid=2242487

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ohh well what do you know, i was looking to see if i could find any new place like 18doughtystreet.com and found their old renamed url
and right there a this old program.

"
New Technologies (05/11/2007)


Shirley Dent of the Institute of Ideas presents Claire Fox News.
Her guests include: Rob Killick CEO, cScape, Toby Marshall, Lecturer and Researcher, Chris Meade, Co-director, Institute for the Future of the Book and Jeremy Thorp, Head of Internal Communications, BT Global Services, UK "

iv not watched it yet, but it apparently covered privacy and new tech...

http://doughty.gdbtv.com/player.php?...b30348cd9f9130

might be interesting or at least good for some contacts in this....

i used to watch 18doughtystreet from its first days, alas i didnt get to continue that for some time and so the closer of it if thats the case i missed, shame.

[Ravenheart]

Originally Posted by popper

Raven, its still possible to effect things even if your not going, for instance i asked this before, did anyone email sir bernard to see if he can come here and take part.

Ohh I'm still fighting from my little fortress here, take more than a dodgy knee to stop me. I've got a few letters to post this morning, and I'll be interested to get the reply, which of course I'll share with you all once I hear back from them.

Keep fighting folks

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by 80/20Thinking

{ snip }

Here's the reality. 52 people have signed up for tomorrow. Sure, some people will come without letting us know, but still more simply won't show. We've organised dozens of these meetings with the same dynamics for each.

52. Amazing. And half of those are industry or media. Yes, I want a consultation, but it takes more than one party to make that happen.

With the greatest respect, Simon, the world exists above the Watford Gap. Not everyone can easily travel to London for a 6:30pm meeting on a weekday with such short notice. I know I cant. That doesnt mean that we are all talk and no action. I have spent hours writing to my MPs, MEPs, Liberty etc.

In the spirit of being constructive, as has been mentioned before, a meeting on IRC or similar would be a good idea. Maybe on a network such as undernet or efnet. That way people from all over the country could more easily attend.

Failing that a meeting somewhere central such as Manchester, Leeds or Sheffield or on a weekend may have been wiser if you genuinely wanted a true consultation.

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Backing down in the face of possible adversary is not the way to win a battle or get your message heard. <snip>
I have a responsibility to myself, to everyone else who has been active on this issue and more importantly to my son, to ensure he retains the right to privacy and liberty.
Alexander Hanff

Dead right! If you incur travel costs, drop me a PM, I'll help out.

The more I think about it, the more Kent Ersdfsdf opens his mouth the better it is (based on his past ramblings).

Telling the truth is easy, and certainly doesn't need 4 PR firms and one misguided 'privacy' consultancy pulling strings.

So, relax, be calm... Remember you've got thousands and thousands of people supporting you tonight. Dephormation has been downloaded over 20,000 times already... and that's just Firefox users.

Pete

[OF1975]

Alexander:

Good luck for the meeting tonight. Give them hell and know that we are 100% behind you. Your dissertation paper is excellent and if you haven't managed to finish it before embarking for London then try and get contact details for any media people that are there and either email or post them a copy once its finished. Best of luck.

EDIT: The new petition link is working again today after the fun of yesterday.

[Ravenheart]

I'd just like to echo the other posts in wishing Alexander all the best for tonight, the work he's put in on the subject has been amazing.

[wigro]

Originally Posted by Ravenheart

I'd just like to echo the other posts in wishing Alexander all the best for tonight, the work he's put in on the subject has been amazing.

Same here.