All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down

[ATMEGA163]

If virgin had to supply new cards to everyone the amount of money they would lose will be millions and they can't afford too. who has a chipped box??come on own up!

Originally Posted by ATMEGA163

If virgin had to supply new cards to everyone the amount of money they would lose will be millions and they can't afford too. who has a chipped box??come on own up!

Nagra would have to supply the cards. Virgin pay Nagra an annual licence fee per card.

I'd welcome you to the site, but have a feeling you won't be around for long. Hello anyway!

[shawty]

Originally Posted by ATMEGA163

Yes its true all the cards have gone off but for how long?? not for very long as a new fix will be out very soon. It was about time the Virgin implemented a new keyroll method because it gives ppl like me another challange to work out how new keyroll method works and implement that into a code. Btw not all cards have gone off only cards which emulates an original rom card such as funs, and atmegas which has been hit. My modified mosc is working good as gold. Why pay if you can get something for free...If your a rich sod then fair enough you can afford extra fruits of life but if your poor sod like me getting something free is always the way. Virgin will be out of business if we couldn't hack there system because lets face it if i had to pay I will go for sky no doubt as they offer a better service and virgin knows that. Cable is ***** if you have to pay for it.Virgin makes there money from selling braodband even that is hacked and telephones. They make only small amount of money from there tv service.

Im going to smash your car window and hot wire it and borrow it, heck I might not even bring it back, but thats ok because if you can get it for free, why pay?

Originally Posted by shawty

Im going to smash your car window and hot wire it and borrow it, heck I might not even bring it back, but thats ok because if you can get it for free, why pay?

That makes no sense! You'd be cold if you smashed the window.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by Losttheplot

That makes no sense! You'd be cold if you smashed the window.

Dont worry id tape it back up and turn on the heater. I might go through McDonalds drive through grab the food and drive off without paying, because why pay when you can get it for free.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

Stealing is stealing, doesnt matter if it is a car or a TV service, they are both equally as wrong.

No. I think you will find that in the eyes of the law, they are very different offences, which carry were different penalties, and thus they are not equally wrong. By your logic, stealing cable and killing someone are equally wrong, merely by virtue of being against the law. You can say they're both wrong, which I wouldn't dispute, but they're clearly not equally wrong.

Originally Posted by ATMEGA163

Virgin makes there money from selling braodband even that is hacked and telephones. They make only small amount of money from there tv service.

You're not far off there. There's obviously no benefit to them from having people leech off what should have been disconnected services, but as I've repeatedly said, there's no question that Virgin do benefit from the people who maintain a minimum subscription and leech the premium channels. It's absolutely correct that Virgin can no longer compete with Sky on their television service, and their reluctance to do so is a matter of public record. Not too long ago, it was even rumored that they were considering throwing in cable TV as a freebie and incentive for people to pick up their internet and phone deals.

[ATMEGA163]

Originally Posted by shawty

Im going to smash your car window and hot wire it and borrow it, heck I might not even bring it back, but thats ok because if you can get it for free, why pay?

You can do that feel free, i'll just claim it off the insurance lol. No ill feeling guys I am just saying how it is. Kudelski are the people who roll out the new key change on behalf of virgin, if virgin implements a new keyroll method every time they will again lose alot of money.

BTW: I couldn't find the introduction section, so i could introduce myself.

Hello anyway guys.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

No. I think you will find that in the eyes of the law, they are very different offences, which carry were different penalties, and thus they are not equally wrong. By your logic, stealing cable and killing someone are equally wrong, merely by virtue of being against the law. You can say they're both wrong, which I wouldn't dispute, but they're clearly not equally wrong.

You're not far off there. There's obviously no benefit to them from having people leech off what should have been disconnected services, but as I've repeatedly said, there's no question that Virgin do benefit from the people who maintain a minimum subscription and leech the premium channels. It's absolutely correct that Virgin can no longer compete with Sky on their television service, and their reluctance to do so is a matter of public record. Not too long ago, it was even rumored that they were considering throwing in cable TV as a freebie and incentive for people to pick up their internet and phone deals.

No, your just clearly making something up that I never said. Stealing is stealing, no matter what you steal, it is still wrong.

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Originally Posted by ATMEGA163

You can do that feel free, i'll just claim it off the insurance lol. No ill feeling guys I am just saying how it is. Kudelski are the people who roll out the new key change on behalf of virgin, if virgin implements a new keyroll method every time they will again lose alot of money.

BTW: I couldn't find the introduction section, so i could introduce myself.

Hello anyway guys.

Wouldnt you lose your no claims bonus? Can I sleep with your wife/GF/sister/mom at the same time? Hey, its free isnt it?

[ATMEGA163]

Originally Posted by supremus

No. I think you will find that in the eyes of the law, they are very different offences, which carry were different penalties, and thus they are not equally wrong. By your logic, stealing cable and killing someone are equally wrong, merely by virtue of being against the law. You can say they're both wrong, which I wouldn't dispute, but they're clearly not equally wrong.

You're not far off there. There's obviously no benefit to them from having people leech off what should have been disconnected services, but as I've repeatedly said, there's no question that Virgin do benefit from the people who maintain a minimum subscription and leech the premium channels. It's absolutely correct that Virgin can no longer compete with Sky on their television service, and their reluctance to do so is a matter of public record. Not too long ago, it was even rumored that they were considering throwing in cable TV as a freebie and incentive for people to pick up their internet and phone deals.

I have no respect for hackers who gets cable for free,, number one rule you have to pay at least the minimum subscription to keep the host in business if not they will end up like on digital then you have nothing. I pay my dues, but cant afford to pay £45+ for all the channels thats not worth it.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by ATMEGA163

I have no respect for hackers who gets cable for free,, number one rule you have to pay at least the minimum subscription to keep the host in business if not they will end up like on digital then you have nothing. I pay my dues, but cant afford to pay £45+ for all the channels thats not worth it.

So you decide to steal it? Oh thats ok then. I cant afford a house, can I have yours.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by shawty

They do have evidence. The evidence is from the person stating they are stealing, admitting it is evidence. If I walked into a Police station and said I had stole something, are you saying they wont do anything due tot he fact I could be lying?

And again, you miss my point. Beyond the IP (which can, and probably would, be faked), while we have a statement that *somebody* has admitted to using a cloned modem, we cannot offer any evidence as to who. We do also have the problem that people do sign up to forums and make such stuff as this up, just to look "cool".

Surely, Virgin/NTL as the owners of the network will have better facilities to be able to trace such people, all though I have no knowledge in this feild, so I dont know.

They do have better facilities, but won't discuss these with outsiders (for obvious reasons),

Lets turn your CD guy around, and say it was my next door neighbour using a cloned modem or stotel TV services, then yes I would as it could be having an affect on my services.

Lets not. You know who your next door neighbour is. You know he is doing it, and could give the police these facts. Thus, they could check him out relatively easily. I chose the example I did deliberately because on the forum, we don't know who each other are, and only know what we are told by other people. We have no evidence that what they say is true

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Originally Posted by ATMEGA163

I have no respect for hackers who gets cable for free,, number one rule you have to pay at least the minimum subscription to keep the host in business if not they will end up like on digital then you have nothing. I pay my dues, but cant afford to pay £45+ for all the channels thats not worth it.

Capitalism has a simple answer for this: If you can't afford the extra channels, don't have them. Remember, TV is a luxury, not a right.

Lack of money is not an excuse for stealing.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

And again, you miss my point. Beyond the IP (which can, and probably would, be faked), while we have a statement that *somebody* has admitted to using a cloned modem, we cannot offer any evidence as to who. We do also have the problem that people do sign up to forums and make such stuff as this up, just to look "cool".


They do have better facilities, but won't discuss these with outsiders (for obvious reasons),


Lets not. You know who your next door neighbour is. You know he is doing it, and could give the police these facts. Thus, they could check him out relatively easily. I chose the example I did deliberately because on the forum, we don't know who each other are, and only know what we are told by other people. We have no evidence that what they say is true

But havent you just answered our questions in this post that yes they do have better facilities to catch people. I dont know how it works, but if you were to say give Virgin the offending post and IP address, can they not work from there with their better facilities.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

Im going to smash your car window and hot wire it and borrow it, heck I might not even bring it back, but thats ok because if you can get it for free, why pay?

Does this count as an admission that you're planning to commit a serious crime? See what I did there?

I'm curious though, why this bitterness towards pirates? Do you take an equally aggressive approach to co-workers, friends and family or even strangers in the street with illegal MP3s on their iPods?

Originally Posted by shawty

No, your just clearly making something up that I never said.

No, I quoted your exact words and just took your illogical statement to its logical extreme to prove how it doesn't hold up to closer scrutiny.

Stealing is stealing, no matter what you steal, it is still wrong.

Yes, it is, but that's not what you said. You said they were equally wrong. It's important to make a distinction in the context of what is being discussed here.

Originally Posted by ATMEGA163

I have no respect for hackers who gets cable for free,, number one rule you have to pay at least the minimum subscription to keep the host in business if not they will end up like on digital then you have nothing. I pay my dues, but cant afford to pay £45+ for all the channels thats not worth it.

A man must have his honour.

As I said earlier, I find this subject quite fascinating, and have been reading up on it over the last week or so, though I'm still not entirely clear on a few details. If the mods will allow it, I would be interested for someone like yourself to list the various piracy systems available and their functionality. I wouldn't want you to mention any specific brands or how or where to acquire illegal services or equipment, but it might be educational for us to understand exactly what it is we're talking about here, when it comes to chipped boxes, cams, clones, AU, VOD, PPV and so forth. The impression I've got from reading up on this is that the vast majority of illegal boxes use some kind of software emulation to decode the scrambled channels, and that they have no access to non-linear VOD services. I haven't been able to confirm that there are any boxes around, certainly not in great numbers, that can access non-linear VOD, due to such boxes having to identity themselves to Virgin's servers to initiate a VOD request, though it does seem like certain boxes can scan for active VOD channels, and watch what other people have ordered, though they won't be able to pause and rewind.

I hope this isn't crossing any forum rules, if it can be kept in broad terms?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by shawty

But havent you just answered our questions in this post that yes they do have better facilities to catch people. I dont know how it works, but if you were to say give Virgin the offending post and IP address, can they not work from there with their better facilities.

They still need evidence that someone has done something. A forum post is not evidence.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by supremus

If the mods will allow it, I would be interested for someone like yourself to list the various piracy systems available and their functionality. I wouldn't want you to mention any specific brands or how or where to acquire illegal services or equipment, but it might be educational for us to understand exactly what it is we're talking about here, when it comes to chipped boxes, cams, clones, AU, VOD, PPV and so forth.

We've made our position very clear on this. We will not allow the discussion of how to 'chip' or 'clone' equipment, or the discussion which would give anyone the know-how to obtain services without paying for them. We're not stupid, we know that if people want to do this then the information is out there which will enable them.

If someone is intent on this sort of thing then I suggest they go to one of the other forums which allow such discussion.

Sometimes people post 'hints' on how to do it and what equipment to use - we will not allow this, neither will we permit "PM me for further details" types of discussion.

We're not out to be little hitlers or anything like that but we have some straightforward forum rules which we expect everyone to abide by.

Yes there is often discussion about illegally downloaded music etc but equally we do not allow discussion of "how and where".

Hope that clarifies things.