All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down - Page 7

Saaf_laandon_mo · 10-04-2008, 15:06

I moved from Virgin to sky about 2 years ago. I retained the virgin broadband and the phone line and told them I don't want the TV. They told me its free (basic channels) and insisted I kept the box. I explained I had no space for a redundant box and they simply told me its up to me what I want to do with it. I don't even know where the box is now, probably thrown out in the bin.

A friend told me I can connect a 'dodgy' box to the cable feed coming in. In all honesty I cannot be bothered with this as I'd get too much aggro from the missus and I dont feel its right anyway. Why doesnt Virgin simply disconnect the feeds going to lines where there are no boxes on the other end? Can they not tell that?

On a separate note, will I now have a problem if I decide to move to Virgin + as I cant find my old box?

Russ · 10-04-2008, 15:13

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Originally Posted by jammoboss

What puzzles me mind, why are admins letting people come here and admit there stealing cable?

It wouldn't make any difference. We disallow the discussion of how it's done but how do we know someone isn't just bragging?

the-cable-guy · 10-04-2008, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I moved from Virgin to sky about 2 years ago. I retained the virgin broadband and the phone line and told them I don't want the TV. They told me its free (basic channels) and insisted I kept the box. I explained I had no space for a redundant box and they simply told me its up to me what I want to do with it. I don't even know where the box is now, probably thrown out in the bin.

A friend told me I can connect a 'dodgy' box to the cable feed coming in. In all honesty I cannot be bothered with this as I'd get too much aggro from the missus and I dont feel its right anyway. Why doesnt Virgin simply disconnect the feeds going to lines where there are no boxes on the other end? Can they not tell that?

On a separate note, will I now have a problem if I decide to move to Virgin + as I cant find my old box?

your internet & TV come down the same cable so if they disconnect the TV you will also loose your internet. also as you already have Sky it would be cheaper for you to get Sky HD/+ & you'l get more HD channels if thats what your after.

jammoboss · 10-04-2008, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Russ B

It wouldn't make any difference. We disallow the discussion of how it's done but how do we know someone isn't just bragging?

good point

buba3d · 10-04-2008, 17:41

i'd get one in a heartbeat just to see some adult channels but at the same time, i'm scared if i got caught.

so i choose to keep myself abover bored and legal.

mind you, i wouldn't put it past peeps who are posting in this thread have one. lol

Russ · 10-04-2008, 18:03

One obvious way to stop people boasting about uing 'chipped' boxes or cloned modems would be to pass their IP addresses on to VM but we do not do that and neither will we ever. The onus to catch these people lies soley with VM. If people want to brag about using such equipment then let them, personally I believe it says more about them than anything else.

Before people start handing judgement on to these individuals it's worth considering the "let he without sin cast the first stone" view.

From what I have been told, VM are seriously clamping down on illegal use of their equipment so I believe we should leave them to it.

Just to reiterate however, we will not permit the discussion of how to obtain services without paying for them. That includes describing how equipment should be modified, the name of specific boxes, links to websites which offer such services such as 'keys' etc and the invitation of PMs to 'find out more'.

Those who do any of this will find themselves booted off VM rather quickly.

buba3d · 10-04-2008, 18:09

i've been with them since the days of cabletel, just want to say i love my V+ well worth the money from
vm, could be doing with another couple of features like the recording of on demand and ppv stuff

10-04-2008, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

On a separate note, will I now have a problem if I decide to move to Virgin + as I cant find my old box?

Yes you will and when the time comes for you to cancel they are going to bill you Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£250 for it so get saving!

10-04-2008, 18:14

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

no they dont VM only uses Nagravision. if you do a search for the model numbers that we have ie SMT-2110C then you'l see that they have Nagravision cams embedded, so in order for what you say to work we'll all need new STBs.

I know Virgin use Nagra, I said in my post. I also used to work with the encryption for Virgin. However you are wrong that the STB's will need replacing. At worst it will have to be a different version of Nagra (most likely), but I'm sure a code drop to the STB's will allow any different encryption system to be used with the embedded CAM. Remember all of the complexity is in the smart cards and the rooms within the Super Headends not the CAM.

SMHarman · 10-04-2008, 18:20

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Originally Posted by bigc_imp

Are my eyes playing tricks with me or are the google adverts at the top of this very page advertising for these dodgy boxes?!

Course not, Google places adverts based on the context of the page. Now if the site was running Phorm / OIX advertising you would be seeing an advert for that next romantic vacation you were planning

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Originally Posted by UncleBooBoo

Yes you will and when the time comes for you to cancel they are going to bill you Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£250 for it so get saving!

But they are so so bad at collecting boxes. They wanted both my pace boxes back when I ceased service 18m+ ago. They arranged a collection and missed it, another and missed it and so on. Finally the day I am moving. Take them with you we will collect them from your new address. Fine I said, you're sending someone over to New York to pick them up... Quiet pause on the phone, well can you leave them with someone else. No, why should I make your screw up's someone elses problem. Oh I remember with deep joy the 6 months it took for them to close my account.

the-cable-guy · 10-04-2008, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Losttheplot

I know Virgin use Nagra, I said in my post. I also used to work with the encryption for Virgin. However you are wrong that the STB's will need replacing. At worst it will have to be a different version of Nagra (most likely), but I'm sure a code drop to the STB's will allow any different encryption system to be used with the embedded CAM. Remember all of the complexity is in the smart cards and the rooms within the Super Headends not the CAM.

yes but you cant use a different encryption on a CAM that isint that type of encryption.

10-04-2008, 18:29

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

yes but you cant use a different encryption on a CAM that isint that type of encryption.

You can if its re-programmed! They are embedded CAMs within the STB not a seperate device. Re code the box and the CAM.

the-cable-guy · 10-04-2008, 18:41

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

Course not, Google places adverts based on the context of the page. Now if the site was running Phorm / OIX advertising you would be seeing an advert for that next romantic vacation you were planning

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But they are so so bad at collecting boxes. They wanted both my pace boxes back when I ceased service 18m+ ago. They arranged a collection and missed it, another and missed it and so on. Finally the day I am moving. Take them with you we will collect them from your new address. Fine I said, you're sending someone over to New York to pick them up... Quiet pause on the phone, well can you leave them with someone else. No, why should I make your screw up's someone elses problem. Oh I remember with deep joy the 6 months it took for them to close my account.

im surprised that they even said that they were going to collect the STBs with most pl they dont even care enough to say that.

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Originally Posted by Losttheplot

You can if its re-programmed! They are embedded CAMs within the STB not a seperate device. Re code the box and the CAM.

while it maybe possible by law you cant mess with CAMs whether they are embedded or not. also whats the point when the only system that hasnt been hacked is Videoguard & VM aint part of News Corp so even if they wanted to use it they wouldnt be allowed to. so it aint gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by buba3d

i've been with them since the days of cabletel, just want to say i love my V+ well worth the money from
vm, could be doing with another couple of features like the recording of on demand and ppv stuff

buy a MacroMaster Gold & some good quality gold plated scart leads & then like me you too will be able to record VOD & PPV :o) btw im using a VHS/DVD Recorder & it works grand.

SMHarman · 10-04-2008, 18:42

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

im surprised that they even said that they were going to collect the STBs with most pl they dont even care enough to say that.

They seemed to care a little more 18 months ago. The boxes must be really obsolete now.

the-cable-guy · 10-04-2008, 18:44

from what ppl have been saying on other forums the older the receiver the easier it is to hack them.