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Florence · 09-04-2008, 20:07

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Originally Posted by TheBruce1

If VM implement Phrom(whether its an opt-in or out is irrelevant)should VM be forced to open its network to competitors, especially non-phorm ISP. I believe Ofcom has the power to do just that.
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/complain/internet/

Why should i or any other user of VM be forced to pay Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£125 to BT, if there was competition within the cable market i could avoid those costs.

I paid half price reconnection to BT using an offer they have online until 9th May 2008.
http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/p...Impl133605.htm

Alex @ Phorm · 09-04-2008, 20:08

Hi Alexander - yes, I made the offer for you to put all your questions to Kent in person which you declined

The offer still stands so let me know how we can make that work

Alex @ Phorm

TheBruce1 · 09-04-2008, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Florence

I paid half price reconnection to BT using an offer they have online until 9th May 2008.
http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/p...Impl133605.htm

Thanks, i am going to wait and see if VM implement phorm(spyware)before i jump ship. I would love to see the cable market opened for competition.

Cobbydaler · 09-04-2008, 20:14

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Originally Posted by Alex @ Phorm

Hi Alexander - yes, I made the offer for you to put all your questions to Kent in person which you declined

The offer still stands so let me know how we can make that work

Alex @ Phorm

Well, a guarantee not to selectively quote from the conversation might be a start...

AlexanderHanff · 09-04-2008, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Alex @ Phorm

Hi Alexander - yes, I made the offer for you to put all your questions to Kent in person which you declined

The offer still stands so let me know how we can make that work

Alex @ Phorm

Alex @ Phorm,

Given the misquoting of Dr Richard Clayton over the weekend on Phorm's blog and antics on Wikipedia, I am not comfortable with the prospect of a telephone/voice call. I fear you would be able to deny anything I may wish to bring to the attention of the public and that you may misquote me for your PR campaign.

If Kent would like to have a discussion with me, it would need to be in an open, online environment which can be logged by independent 3rd parties and witnessed by the general public. I would suggest a chat room where I can pose my questions to Kent and the public can see his responses in real time.

If Phorm truly want to be transparent, surely they will accept these terms?

Furthermore, I am still awaiting your answers with regards to the questions I raised concerning the illegal trials of Phorm Inc.'s technology by BT in 2006/2007 which the ICO statement today has effectively reinforced the opinion of myself and many others that they failed to meet the requirements of PECR.

Alexander Hanff

Raistlin · 09-04-2008, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Alex @ Phorm

Hi Alexander - yes, I made the offer for you to put all your questions to Kent in person which you declined

The offer still stands so let me know how we can make that work

Alex @ Phorm

Was this offer based upon Alexander's previous questioning/browsing habits?

It would appear, although I wouldn't wish to speak for Alexander obviously, that he's chosen to 'opt out' at this time

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Looks like he beat me to it

CaptJamieHunter · 09-04-2008, 20:20

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Originally Posted by Alex @ Phorm

Hi Alexander - yes, I made the offer for you to put all your questions to Kent in person which you declined

The offer still stands so let me know how we can make that work

Alex @ Phorm

For the amount of time Phorm has people lurking on here I'm surprised you haven't read Alexander's response:

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

With regards the Phorm interview with Kent, I have decided not to accept this invitation due to the way they blatantly misquoted Dr Richard Clayton last weekend on their blog. I refuse to be a puppet in their PR campaign.

I think my efforts are best directed at finishing my article and fighting Phorm in the public domain. Incidentally I put in my application request for my Masters in Law (LL.M) yesterday and have decided from this point forward my life will be dedicated to fighting the dogmatic attack on society's fundamental rights to privacy. Thank you Phorm for helping to steer my career in a direction that will enable me to fight you and your ilk from the legal arena.

Alexander Hanff

Open, honest, direct, spin-free answers placed in the public domain by technical people, not PR sections is what's appropriate here. The questions and concerns are out there. By misquoting Richard Clayton and trying to spin the facts about the Wikipedia page "editing" you do yourselves no favours.

mark777 · 09-04-2008, 20:20

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Originally Posted by Alex @ Phorm

Hi Alexander - yes, I made the offer for you to put all your questions to Kent in person which you declined

The offer still stands so let me know how we can make that work

Alex @ Phorm

From CaptainJamieHunters post below, Kent might want to think about chatting up Neil Berkett as well.

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8 posts down. Such activity!

popper · 09-04-2008, 20:25

opening the cable market might be the best thing, but id settle for a

"mear conduit", as in no phorm type operations etc.

3rd party Co-location internal space.

3rd party STB's
DVB-C cards +VM smartcard for sale and rent.

and the foolish 1 cable modem per account rule removed.

plus other bit and bobs OC.

AlexanderHanff · 09-04-2008, 20:27

With regards the public meeting in London on Tuesday.

It would be useful if we could come up with some fliers over the weekend for people who are attending the meeting to hand out when they arrive. Also it would be great if we get a bunch of people turning up in anti Phorm t-shirts! I realise it is short notice and would require people to spend some of their hard earned money, but I think it would be worth it, especially as I fully expect members of the press to be present.

If someone could come up with a vector graphic which people can download and take to their local T-Shirt printing company, it should be possible to get them on time.

Another good idea would be for people to take banners with them. if we could have a contingent outside of the meeting making passers by aware of the issues, it could go a long way to raising some more public awareness on this scandal.

Alexander Hanff

manxminx · 09-04-2008, 20:28

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Only in the case where as you outlined your web hosting is provided by your ISP. There is nothing in PECR which appears to require consent from both ends of the communication as covered by RIPA.

Thanks for your clarification Alexander.

I can't wait to read your paper once it's finished

Ali xx

popper · 09-04-2008, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

With regards the public meeting in London on Tuesday.

It would be useful if we could come up with some fliers over the weekend for people who are attending the meeting to hand out when they arrive. Also it would be great if we get a bunch of people turning up in anti Phorm t-shirts! I realise it is short notice and would require people to spend some of their hard earned money, but I think it would be worth it, especially as I fully expect members of the press to be present.

If someone could come up with a vector graphic which people can download and take to their local T-Shirt printing company, it should be possible to get them on time.

Another good idea would be for people to take banners with them. if we could have a contingent outside of the meeting making passers by aware of the issues, it could go a long way to raising some more public awareness on this scandal.

Alexander Hanff

LOL, some people might even enjoy this as a bit of fun... at the meeting.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04..._ico/comments/
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Dressing up

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Tuesday 8th April 2008 10:21 GMT
Wayland Sothcott makes a good point in saying "It's gonna take some people dressed as spiderman to get this really noticed."

So why not? Lets all pitch up outside Phorm/BT HQ/ICO's office/Trafalgar square identically dressed in "Spy" gear - you know; trilby (with BT logo in the hatband), CIA mac, mirror shades.

Bring along conspicuously large notebooks and start writing down behavioural patterns of passing members of the public / BT staff.

I'm sure the odd newsroom could be persuaded to take an interest; take pics, video etc and knock out a press release for later dispatch. Any takers?"

AlexanderHanff · 09-04-2008, 20:38

We should maybe start a new thread for people who are intending to go to the meeting. That way they can arrange to meet up if any anti phorm publicity material gets put together and get organised.

Alexander Hanff

manxminx · 09-04-2008, 20:41

I've emailed 80/20 asking if the meeting can be broadcast on a web feed or recorded as a podcast. I'm sure there are many people such as myself who would like to attend but are unable due to location or other commitments.

Ali.

P.s I can understand the meeting being held in London, but at times I think people forget that life exists North of the M25.

CaptJamieHunter · 09-04-2008, 20:50

Have Phorm come phorward and ophered the name of the QC they used?

A cursory Google on the phrase "QC opinion" just happens to reveal a link to Backlash UK which is a campaign against the Criminal Justice Bill. They have a QC's legal opinion to back up their case and guess what? His name is at the bottom of the opinion document (Please note that this is a discussion of proposals relating to "extreme pornography" in this proposed legislation so please bear that in mind when clicking the link)

Just wondering.