Chav/Charva *******s are taking over

[joglynne]

RizzyKing. When I was young....gosh did I really type that. My Primary School was mainly OK when it came to the behaviour of the pupils. Parents in my neck of the woods were pretty strict, it was a working class council estate, and there was not to much money about to materialistically spoil a child. At senior school there was peer pressure and as to-day it had it's bad side.

What we have now is the addition of a lower age group of children out of control and that's the scary part of what is happening.

TheNorm. Yes I agree, to call the parents, of most of these out of control children, bad is too easy. It's not the parents that are bad so much as their parenting skills that are bad. We all want our children to have good memories of their childhood, we want them to have the best possible childhoods we can give them: but, I fear for the legacy we are handing them.

I have done a bit of soul searching recently on this and one thing that did strike me was i have always said i wanted my kids to have it better and easier then i had it as a kid and i believe many parents feel that way. What i certainly and i would guess many other parents forget with that sentiment is that by and large we have grown up to become good decent people who have forgotten that we are who we are because of our upbringing. Maybe the problem is in trying to make things better for our kids we have taken away the things that were the main parts in determining who we grew up to be. In short with the best of parental intentions we have created a bad parental situation with the kids we are now brining up. Not the whole problem but perhaps another little piece of it.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

I don't think there are many "bad" parents (although there are a few), but well-meaning parents who go down a certain path and then realise the consequences too late.

That did bring a smile to my face, because as you say well meaning intentions is often not a good thing.

I think the difference now from when I was a kid is that naughty kids were known as 'problem kids' and they came from 'problem families'. It seems these days that the waters are muddy, and it is not easy to categorise.

It is obvious from the way that some teenage troublemakers act that they were never disciplined. They appear to think they can do exactly what they want and if someone educates them they will then go crying to the police. I have had a few incidents recently where teenagers have been just looking for trouble, when I was younger I would of risen to the challenge.

I had one incident about 2 weeks ago and I could of probably sorted them out efficiently on the spot, but of course the law is on their side no matter what they do. I would never of dreamt of cheeking or trying to pick a fight with an adult when I was young, and then go crying to the police if I got what I deserved.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

... with the best of parental intentions we have created a bad parental situation with the kids we are now brining up. ....

Yes. My childhood environment was, on the whole, very good, but the occasional knock or heartache made me who I am today. My instinct is to protect my children from the "bad", but my head tells me to let them feel some pain.

For example, when younger my children would often ask for sweets. I remember that desire from childhood, as my parents never let us have sweets (apart from birthdays and holidays). My instinct was to give in (especially as it buys a few minutes of peace), but my head told me (and my wife) to work through this and offer "proper" food instead.

We are facing harder dilemmas now that the children are older. My son gets invited to parties where alcohol is available (unofficially, of course). He knows we don't approve of drinking at this age, but I can't help thinking that a stinking hangover will do more than parental frowns.

Raising children is the hardest job in the world. I have the greatest respect for parents, even those of "chav/charva *******s".

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Hi Rockabilliespike, l really feel sorry for you, if this is happened every couple of day, make a note of the time, and date, and if nessersary fit a camera (you can getone for £50.00 at Argos and fit it yourself), and capture it on camera, and if the council don't help you, get the video tape and got up to the council and slapped in on the table, and say now sort it, what ever you don't confront them, as you might get hurt, and if you have a go, and injure them, you will get done, for it, and you can make a citizen's arrest, but make sure you have it on camera, for proof, hope it helps.