Heroin photo used in BNP leaflet

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Anyhoo, we seemed to have wandered from the OP about a political party using the circumstances, image, and tragedy suffered by a family without asking their permission, into a discussion about how evil Asians are, and what misery they are bringing on this country - how did that happen?

they used to say all roads lead to rome but now it seems they lead to asia

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Anyhoo, we seemed to have wandered from the OP about a political party using the circumstances, image, and tragedy suffered by a family without asking their permission, into a discussion about how evil Asians are, and what misery they are bringing on this country - how did that happen?

Well, they are your words not mine.

It is of course common sense to suggest that someone with ties in a country will have a head start. If I was going to set up a drug smuggling operation, the first port of call would be to find a local dodgy contact with an in-depth knowledge of a country where the drugs are easily available.

Using someone with family in that country is onbviously an advantage for cover. As there doesn't appear to be many people emigrating to these known drug countries from the UK, it would be unlikely to work the other way around.

If we were talking about European drug smuggling I would think it less likely to be family related and possibly tourist related, but lets be fair not many UK residents go on package trips to pop over to Afghnistan or Pakistan for a holiday, or do they.

Originally Posted by foreverwar

BBC

"Parents of a heroin addict are to take legal action against the British National Party (BNP) for using a picture of their dead daughter.

Rachel Whitear, 21, was found dead at her flat in Exmouth, Devon, in May 2000, holding a capped syringe.

The photograph, released by her Herefordshire parents to educate people on drugs, was used by Lancashire BNP members on a leaflet.

The BNP's deputy leader said they would not apologise.

The leaflets, which were circulated in Preston, linked heroin use to Muslim communities"

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Anyhoo, we seemed to have wandered from the OP about a political party using the circumstances, image, and tragedy suffered by a family without asking their permission, into a discussion about how evil Asians are, and what misery they are bringing on this country - how did that happen?

Originally Posted by Escapee

Well, they are your words not mine.

It is of course common sense to suggest that someone with ties in a country will have a head start. If I was going to set up a drug smuggling operation, the first port of call would be to find a local dodgy contact with an in-depth knowledge of a country where the drugs are easily available.

Using someone with family in that country is onbviously an advantage for cover. As there doesn't appear to be many people emigrating to these known drug countries from the UK, it would be unlikely to work the other way around.

If we were talking about European drug smuggling I would think it less likely to be family related and possibly tourist related, but lets be fair not many UK residents go on package trips to pop over to Afghnistan or Pakistan for a holiday, or do they.

You seemed to have missed my point (once again) - please see the OP (reproduced above).

The family tragedy involved was that of a British family, and the point was that their tragedy was being milked by a political party without permission or discussion - my point (above) was that once more a thread was transformed into "lets bash other races/ethnicities, and make them the scapegoats for all bad things that are happening" thread, and my words were intended to reflect the direction the thread had taken, not my beliefs (but hey, let's not let things like facts stop the fomenting of discord, huh?).

I love the statement "it is of course common sense" - it is up there with "I am sure you will agree" and "we all think" - people sometimes forget their definition of "common sense" is often neither common or sense (imho).

[Hom3r]

Sorry but at the end of the day, even if the picture was in the "Public Domain" good taste and decency would dictate that you ask the next of kin to use the picture.

Sadly BNP wouldn't know what these are even if thet where the side of the lorry in flashing lights about to run them over.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Sorry but at the end of the day, even if the picture was in the "Public Domain" good taste and decency would dictate that you ask the next of kin to use the picture.

Sadly BNP wouldn't know what these are even if thet where the side of the lorry in flashing lights about to run them over.

Similar to a senior police officer in Wales (think it was in Wales) who used, without seeking consent, photos of someone who'd died in a car accident (sorry, brain is addled).

Simple common sense dictates that if you're going to use the details of someone who's died, you seek the consent of their immediate family.

[Jonnymeg]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well thats the level of dimwitted politics the BNP represent.

But there is no getting away from the fact that that is what users become. They may well have been upstanding citizens prior to using but once hooked the most do become such parasites.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

You seemed to have missed my point (once again) - please see the OP (reproduced above).

The family tragedy involved was that of a British family, and the point was that their tragedy was being milked by a political party without permission or discussion - my point (above) was that once more a thread was transformed into "lets bash other races/ethnicities, and make them the scapegoats for all bad things that are happening" thread, and my words were intended to reflect the direction the thread had taken, not my beliefs (but hey, let's not let things like facts stop the fomenting of discord, huh?).

I love the statement "it is of course common sense" - it is up there with "I am sure you will agree" and "we all think" - people sometimes forget their definition of "common sense" is often neither common or sense (imho).

It is of course common sense that the countries cultivating these drugs are the countries the drugs coming from, this surely means these countries are without doubt the source of the problem.

Stop the huge drug cultivation in these countries would go some way to preventing future ruined lives and deaths through drug addiction. The large scale cultivation in certain countries has made drug use a pastime cheaper than alcohol.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...22624E0A3E.htm

14% of Afghans involved.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Escapee

... this surely means these countries are without doubt the source of the problem.....

No, the source of the problem is demand. Not supply.

If all poppy fields in Afghanistan were destroyed tonight, do you really think the drug problem in Britain would come to an end?

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

No, the source of the problem is demand. Not supply.

If all poppy fields in Afghanistan were destroyed tonight, do you really think the drug problem in Britain would come to an end?

No, the drug problem would not come to an end. The problem would not be as widespread though if these countries had been stopped from cultivating it in the beggining.

Hard drugs have never been so cheap, this is due to supply and demand. The vast amount of drugs produced by these countries have made the price affordable.

I was never offered hard drugs when I was younger, and I believe this was due to cost, in the past 12 months I have been offered hard drugs 'To try' on more than one occassion. I believe this is due to the fact that they are cheap enough to offer around to others like people do with fags.

The 14% if true means there are probably about 4.5 million people in Afghanistan alone involved in drug cultivation and trafficking, I dont know if they are counting the Pakistanis that are coming over the border for the poppy fields now the majority of Taliban have been killed.

If you speak to soldiers coming back from a tour in Afghanistan my experience is that they say that now they are fighting Pakistanis and many are coming over the border for the drugs.

Of course this may be fact but it is far easier to brush it aside as a racist comment.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Escapee

...Hard drugs have never been so cheap, this is due to supply and demand. ....

... and a Labour government who doesn't have a clue?

Street prices for class A drugs have halved since Labour came to power, dropping almost every year since 1997, government figures confirm.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...ur-793501.html

Originally Posted by Escapee

No, the drug problem would not come to an end. The problem would not be as widespread though if these countries had been stopped from cultivating it in the beggining.

Hard drugs have never been so cheap, this is due to supply and demand. The vast amount of drugs produced by these countries have made the price affordable.

I was never offered hard drugs when I was younger, and I believe this was due to cost, in the past 12 months I have been offered hard drugs 'To try' on more than one occassion. I believe this is due to the fact that they are cheap enough to offer around to others like people do with fags.

The 14% if true means there are probably about 4.5 million people in Afghanistan alone involved in drug cultivation and trafficking, I dont know if they are counting the Pakistanis that are coming over the border for the poppy fields now the majority of Taliban have been killed.

If you speak to soldiers coming back from a tour in Afghanistan my experience is that they say that now they are fighting Pakistanis and many are coming over the border for the drugs.

Of course this may be fact but it is far easier to brush it aside as a racist comment.

I don't brush it aside as a racist comment (I see you are using the old pre-emptive strike of "reverse racism" card again - one of your favourites, isn't it? ) - very pleased to see the qualification of may in your post - it also may not be fact, but it is unlikely, given your post history, that you would promote that premise.

btw, how could the soldiers tell the difference between the Pakistanis and the Afghanis? I was out with my nephew and his mates last week (who had recently been in Afghanistan with the RHF) and they didn't mention Pakistanis at all, when asked who they were up against; they just classed them all as Terry Taliban.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I don't brush it aside as a racist comment (I see you are using the old pre-emptive strike of "reverse racism" card again - one of your favourites, isn't it? ) - very pleased to see the qualification of may in your post - it also may not be fact, but it is unlikely, given your post history, that you would promote that premise.

btw, how could the soldiers tell the difference between the Pakistanis and the Afghanis? I was out with my nephew and his mates last week (who had recently been in Afghanistan with the RHF) and they didn't mention Pakistanis at all, when asked who they were up against; they just classed them all as Terry Taliban.

I hear that the number we have killed are probably ten times more than the original Taliban numbers. The majority we are now fighting come over the border from Pakistan, these are either Afghans who have been hiding in Pakistan or of Pakistan origin. I understand that tribes have split throughout the ages and some live in Pakistan and some in Afghanistan, so they are closely connected.

I am told their are regular battles that sometimes result in tens or hundreds coming across the border. These are usually drug high and brainwashed with little chance of inflicting any harm, and we are having to use large calibre weapons to stop them.

Wherever they originate from is not important but they come across the border from the Pakistani and thir government and forces are doing little more than offering a token gesture to tackle these people in their country.

Originally Posted by Escapee

...snippy snip...

If you speak to soldiers coming back from a tour in Afghanistan my experience is that they say that now they are fighting Pakistanis and many are coming over the border for the drugs.

Of course this may be fact but it is far easier to brush it aside as a racist comment.

Originally Posted by Escapee

I hear that the number we have killed are probably ten times more than the original Taliban numbers. The majority we are now fighting come over the border from Pakistan, these are either Afghans who have been hiding in Pakistan or of Pakistan origin. I understand that tribes have split throughout the ages and some live in Pakistan and some in Afghanistan, so they are closely connected.

I am told their are regular battles that sometimes result in tens or hundreds coming across the border. These are usually drug high and brainwashed with little chance of inflicting any harm, and we are having to use large calibre weapons to stop them.

Wherever they originate from is not important but they come across the border from the Pakistani and thir government and forces are doing little more than offering a token gesture to tackle these people in their country.

You appear to be contradicting yourself about the origin of the fighters.

If you look at this CNN link, you will find that 3.5 million Afghani refugees moved to Iran and Pakistan.

btw, what drug are these "fighters" on? If it's hash or opiates, I am surprised they can walk, never mind fight.

Well, Putting aside the stats on who is involved with the smuggling of drugs. What difference does it make who is doing it? Even if it is mostly Asians, and it could well be, what difference does it make?

It's simply a issue of geography and not that this race is more disposed to commiting crime. So why is it important what race the smugglers are?

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Damien

.... So why is it important what race the smugglers are?

These are the types of questions the BNP would rather you didn't ask.