Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year. - Page 11

lostandconfused · 22-03-2008, 00:11

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Originally Posted by showshifter

Whats the point of 50 megs when they can't supply the 20 meg i'm paying for at the min. Seems like that 4 meg is the norm with Virgin media these days

Because they can charge more for it you see. They have seen other companies advertising X speed and only delivering half so thought they would get in on the act and do the same

If you have read the rest of the thread, the 50mb uses a different technology to the current tiers so is likely to get 50mb

Horace · 22-03-2008, 01:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by showshifter

Whats the point of 50 megs when they can't supply the 20 meg i'm paying for at the min. Seems like that 4 meg is the norm with Virgin media these days

Because you're not representative of the majority of 20meg customers and if you're consistently getting lower than 20meg speeds you should either cancel and go elsewhere or haggle for some kind of discount until your problem is fixed.

checker · 22-03-2008, 13:35

Originally Posted by showshifter

Whats the point of 50 megs when they can't supply the 20 meg i'm paying for at the min. Seems like that 4 meg is the norm with Virgin media these days

Just downgrade your package and pay less? At least you can do this with VM.

popper · 22-03-2008, 14:55

hmm, do we have a quote from Neil anywere about this ?
or even an internal intranet post might be nice.

in this upbeat news post it says this
http://www.lightreading.com/document...48737&site=cdn
Virgin Territory

MARCH 19, 2008
...
"Virgin is betting on speed to drive further growth against BT Group plc (NYSE: BT - message board; London: BTA) and independent ISPs.

The company now offers 4, 10, and 20 Mbit/s broadband Internet products, and plans to launch a 50 Mbit/s service to 70 percent of its homes passed by year's end.
....
"

popper · 26-03-2008, 23:34

well its not from neil or internal intranet but Director of Technical Strategy, Kevin Baughan.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkpyVkFEylgbzAkwsh.html
"
26 March, 2008 - 9:19 AM
Virgin Media - Many Wi-Fi Routers Can't Handle 50Mbps

Virgin Media's Director of Technical Strategy, Kevin Baughan, has warned that many 802.11 based home Wi-Fi networks may be unable to handle the operators forthcoming 'up to' 50Mbps cable broadband products.
...
Baughan believes that 9m UK homes passed by Virgin Media in the UK will be able to access 50Mbps this year, rising to 12.5m by 2009....
"

the above news post just reiterates what iv said for a long time now, 'your real throughput 11g at 22Mbit, isnt going to be good enough for the upcoming 50Mbit. time to upgrade to 11N and the new Wimax when that finally arrives'.

BTW remember my other idea about VM cable buying some spectrum and using their edge fibre and users to make a brand new UK Wimax Docsis wireless network

.

well..., it might not be UK VM, or exactly the same idea, but the large US cable companys are infact getting together now.....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1206...ews_technology
"Comcast, Time Warner Cable in Wireless Talks"

will VM follow ?, perhaps not, or at least not until they get some competition gearing up, such as the manchester Wimax freedom4 and the 3rd party resellers Somerfield

i wonder if they will be Phormed, perhaps we might ask them LOL.

perhaps VM would be wise to buy/rent and secure that Manchester Airport (baguley cable NW hub site etc) and its surounding airspace before someone else does...

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...9353041,00.htm
"Somerfield trials WiMax in Manchester
David Meyer ZDNet.co.uk
Published: 28 Feb 2008 15:23 GMT
The supermarket chain Somerfield is trialling the long-range, high-bandwidth wireless technology WiMax.

According to the virtual network operator providing the service, Vanco, WiMax has already been deployed for Somerfield in Manchester.

Vanco claims to be the first managed services provider to offer WiMax for corporate wide area networks (WANs).

However, the service itself is actually provided by Vialtus, known until recently as Pipex Business, and "powered by" Freedom4, the WiMax company previously known as Pipex Wireless"

http://www.freedom4.co.uk/pg.asp?p=news110606

|Kippa| · 04-04-2008, 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by popper

and plans to launch a 50 Mbit/s service to 70 percent of its homes passed by year's end.
....
"

They might be only having 70% of all its homes with 50mbit by the end of the year as they might be including ADSL people with the Cable people. Perhaps the 70% only refers to people with Cable, and the other 30% might refer to people with ADSL that won't be able to get 50mbit, tis just a guess.

slowcoach · 04-04-2008, 22:51

All it means is that there will only be enough time available to upgrade 70% of the network before the end of the year, the rest of the network will take until sometime next year.
70% may be just a theoretical possibility with the actual percentage upgraded by year end something else altogether.

weesteev · 04-04-2008, 23:56

The 70% figure comes from the basis that not all of the cable infrastructure will be upgraded this year, namely analogue only areas and very high cost upgrade areas. The 100% total they refer to is also a little misleading as it only accounts for the current digital network not analogue areas like parts of Southampton or Slough where decisions about their upgrade path are still being investigated.

I think even 70% seems to be quite an unrealistic target due to the amount of work that needs to be done but the company seems adamant this is possible! Seen as broadband is the companies new "hero" product then it would make sense to invest in infrastructure and get 50mb out as soon as possible!

VM are still remaining tight lipped over how the trial is progressing, vendors trialled and any sort of upgrade path they are following, the suspense is killing us who really want the service

05-04-2008, 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by weesteev

The 70% figure comes from the basis that not all of the cable infrastructure will be upgraded this year, namely analogue only areas and very high cost upgrade areas. The 100% total they refer to is also a little misleading as it only accounts for the current digital network not analogue areas like parts of Southampton or Slough where decisions about their upgrade path are still being investigated.

I think even 70% seems to be quite an unrealistic target due to the amount of work that needs to be done but the company seems adamant this is possible! Seen as broadband is the companies new "hero" product then it would make sense to invest in infrastructure and get 50mb out as soon as possible!

VM are still remaining tight lipped over how the trial is progressing, vendors trialled and any sort of upgrade path they are following, the suspense is killing us who really want the service

The trial is complete.

70%...no chance they can reach that as there is just too much work to do, i know upgrades are already being carried out ready for 50mbit but oversubscribed areas (you all know which ones i mean) wont see 50mbit this year...not until late summer 2009.

Hardly a hero product though when it has STM applied to it (at least, it did near the end of the trials)....i bet they change the upload back to 1.5mbit as well, just to keep to their unfair ratio scheme.

Too bad, i quite enjoyed the 5mbit upload.

ginge51 · 05-04-2008, 00:44

this 50 mb line vm are going to be using soon will not be needed imo.
Who is going to need it seeing how there's going to be all sorts of restrictions to what we can/want to download soon?
I.e phom/3 strikes rule.
The line simply won't be needed.

slowcoach · 05-04-2008, 01:09

50 Mb will seem nothing when 4G mobile devices arrive, 4Gb down and 256Mb up.

popper · 06-04-2008, 01:13

slow coach your data is in error.

the G in 4G is not Gigabit but rather Generation.

as any search will tell you.

Quote:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/networ...c-Finalised/p1
"
And you thought 3G speeds were getting quick...

This week sees the finalisation of 3G's long term successor, the fourth generation 'Long Term Evolution' (LTE) which will offer peak download speeds up to a remarkable 326Mbps (megabits per second). Uploads will peak at 86Mbps...."

LTE might sound good to you but its a long way from being made available, and has a long way to go before it anywere near (mobile)Wimax...

infact the UK have only just announced a new G4 auction yesterday

Quote:

http://www.about-electronics.eu/2008...ireless-space/
"
Saturday, April 5, 2008 - 5:20 (GMT+99)
UK to hold auction for 4G wireless space

Filed under: Corporate | by :luk|
Electronista: Britain’s telecoms regulator Ofcom on Friday confirmed that it would hold a new auction for wireless space in the country.

Partly echoing the just-completed FCC auction in the US, the UK agency will allow portions of spectrum in the 2GHz and 2.6GHz spaces to be used for different wireless services.

This is likely to involve fourth-generation data services such as “evolutions of 3G technology” or WiMAX, Ofcom says...."

popper · 06-04-2008, 03:47

BTW the US comcast have just announced the first deployment of their 50Mbit down/5Mbit up Docsis 2.0b/3.0 service.

its not known what End User kit was used as yet and i cant be bothered to go find the trialists/end users threads.

yes they used mbit not Mbit, and say upto 160mbps download, and upstream speeds of up to 120mbps for docsis3.0, im about to post there asking them to correct it.

thats the Minimum Spec for Docsis 2.0b/3.0 using the basic 4 bonded channels in case you didnt know, the full spec can use upto 125 bonded channels (5Gb/s download/ 3.75Gb/s upload) max total, if some vendors decide to make the units in the future.

http://www.xchangemag.com/hotnews/co...-deployme.html
"Comcast Corp. has announced its first deployment of DOCSIS 3.0 technology, in Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minn., which it claims enables it to offer residential and business customers downstream Internet access speeds of up to 50mbps and upstream speeds of up to 5mbps — its fastest access offering. "

"In a separate but related development, Time Warner Cable is expected to begin deploying DOCSIS 3.0 later this month, according to a report released today by New Paradigm Resources Group."

"“This announcement marks the beginning of the evolution from broadband to wideband,” said Mitch Bowling, senior vice president and general manager of Comcast High-Speed Internet, Comcast Cable, in prepared comments. “Wideband is the future and it’s coming fast. We believe wideband will usher in a new era of speed and Internet innovation for today’s digital consumers.”

...
For current high-speed Internet access resident customers, as a result of the deployment, Comcast will nearly triple the upload speed of its 6mbps/384kbps Performance tier to 6mbps/1mbps and more than double the upload speed of its 8mbps/768kbps Performance Plus tier to 8mbps/2mbps, at no additional charge.
"

perhaps VM might also consider upgrading their current users Upload speeds as well, when the so called PR wideband 50Mbit is nearing rollout here?.

06-04-2008, 07:43

Its a nice little carrot to dangle in public I think.

But why not spend the money on making sure that people get 100% speed they pay for now?

Makes sense to me but I dont see things in numbers of customers paying " x " amount of money= very happy richard branson.

Forget that there are speed issues at the moment, lets crank the speed up higher, the mugs ( in all respect ) will come in their droves.

There should be no speed increase until they get their act together on what people are being duped out of now.

checker · 06-04-2008, 08:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by ginge51

this 50 mb line vm are going to be using soon will not be needed imo.
Who is going to need it seeing how there's going to be all sorts of restrictions to what we can/want to download soon?
I.e phom/3 strikes rule.
The line simply won't be needed.

Need and want two different things.