20 Meg to 50 Meg upgrade.

[bigsinky]

so the upload is even slower as a % of the full bandwidth. 768kbit for 20Mbit service and only 1.5 Mbit for the 50Mbit service. Thats just 3% if the total band width. Ho hum looks like another load of 500GB drives will have to be bought :-) I think Giganews is going to get another battering ;-)

[Daffy Duck]

[quote=Sirpingalot;34495189]It seems rather obvious if you consider that if bandwidth is shared equally (relative to what tier you're on) then if one person with this ideal setup is having speed problems then most others within the network (UBR) are. And we can only THINK because we aren't given the facts. Forums are the breeding grounds for thinking!

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Lets use that logic the othe way then.
If one person on a UBR is getting full speed we can then assume most others are as well (same logic,different starting point).If they're not and,using your logic they should be because the bandwidth is shared equally,it must be because their setup is different in someway to that one person that is.If it's their setup that's causing the problem then that isn't VM's problem (unless it's the supplied VM equipment) it's the customers.
In other words,as long as one customer in an area gets full speed then VM have no problems in that area.....it's all down to the customers equipment.

That's obviously NOT true tho.....whichever area you go to you'll find some people with problems and some people without problems......the relative ratios of those two groups may vary ,but you'll find both groups.
You can't draw any meaningful conclusions from an example of one.

[bigsinky]

Originally Posted by DocDutch

have a look at say a ADSL customer and check how many are paying for 8meg and are getting something like 2mb?

Sorry guys n gals, i have to agree here. I have never had a problem with NTL/VM and with usenet i regularly max out my 20 meg connection. yes it slows at peak periods but then my computer is never switched off so i just toddle off in the knowledge that my files will be downloaded sometime. however, my girlfriend lives 20 miles from Belfast and Tiscali stated that her line would support 1.5 Mbit on ADSL. she is lucky if she gets half of that speed at anytime during the day. I am a happy VM customer, in fact when i got $ky HD installed i kept my cable connection with VM and went back to BT. i dunno, i must be just one of the lucky ones.

[BrightonJohn]

Originally Posted by bigsinky

Sorry guys n gals, i have to agree here. I have never had a problem with NTL/VM and with usenet i regularly max out my 20 meg connection. yes it slows at peak periods but then my computer is never switched off so i just toddle off in the knowledge that my files will be downloaded sometime. however, my girlfriend lives 20 miles from Belfast and Tiscali stated that her line would support 1.5 Mbit on ADSL. she is lucky if she gets half of that speed at anytime during the day. I am a happy VM customer, in fact when i got $ky HD installed i kept my cable connection with VM and went back to BT. i dunno, i must be just one of the lucky ones.

If there was one bit of VM that I would not change it would be the 20Mb Broadband - works like a dream - all the time. The phone service is also reliable and since I bullied the tech people to look in the right place even the sound drops on the V+ Box have been cured.

[Sirpingalot]

[QUOTE=Daffy Duck;34496525]

Originally Posted by Sirpingalot

It seems rather obvious if you consider that if bandwidth is shared equally (relative to what tier you're on) then if one person with this ideal setup is having speed problems then most others within the network (UBR) are. And we can only THINK because we aren't given the facts. Forums are the breeding grounds for thinking!

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Lets use that logic the othe way then.
If one person on a UBR is getting full speed we can then assume most others are as well (same logic,different starting point).If they're not and,using your logic they should be because the bandwidth is shared equally,it must be because their setup is different in someway to that one person that is.If it's their setup that's causing the problem then that isn't VM's problem (unless it's the supplied VM equipment) it's the customers.
In other words,as long as one customer in an area gets full speed then VM have no problems in that area.....it's all down to the customers equipment.

That's obviously NOT true tho.....whichever area you go to you'll find some people with problems and some people without problems......the relative ratios of those two groups may vary ,but you'll find both groups.
You can't draw any meaningful conclusions from an example of one.

Point taken.

[janipewter]

Originally Posted by bigsinky

Sorry guys n gals, i have to agree here. I have never had a problem with NTL/VM and with usenet i regularly max out my 20 meg connection. yes it slows at peak periods but then my computer is never switched off so i just toddle off in the knowledge that my files will be downloaded sometime. however, my girlfriend lives 20 miles from Belfast and Tiscali stated that her line would support 1.5 Mbit on ADSL. she is lucky if she gets half of that speed at anytime during the day. I am a happy VM customer, in fact when i got $ky HD installed i kept my cable connection with VM and went back to BT. i dunno, i must be just one of the lucky ones.

Yes, one of the few lucky ones. I'm lucky to get 2Mbit out of my 20, and that's during off-peak hours.

[bigsinky]

Originally Posted by janipewter

Yes, one of the few lucky ones. I'm lucky to get 2Mbit out of my 20, and that's during off-peak hours.

£37 for a 2Mbit service. Totally unacceptable. Don't suppose it would do you any good to complain. what speeds do you think you would get if you downgraded to a 2 or 4Mbit service?

I have to say that when my cable connection went down NTL were out the next day and replaced my Ambit modem with the new NTL250.

[Jabbs]

My 20 meg is spot on get 20 meg all the time apart from 4-9pm when it normally drops to around 1.6m download.

[domo247]

Originally Posted by TehTech

Would it bugger!!!

How many sites can actually give you the FULL 50Mb speeds??

So unless you'r using torrents to download or upload, it'd be pretty useless!

This is what VM fail to inform everyone, that just because they "provide" 50Mb, dont mean to say that any websites do, certainly speed tests would be even more far out.

It’s not virgins job to inform you of limits they don’t have control over.

Just about every car in the UK can travel over 100Mph but you can’t legally go over 70Mph unless you are an enthusiast who takes there car along to track days. Similarly if you are download enthusiast and use the newsgroups and pay for Giganews or similar you will probably get a 40-50Mbit connection. Other wise 15Mbit is what you will connect to most sites at if your lucky.

[bigsinky]

Originally Posted by domo247

It’s not virgins job to inform you of limits they don’t have control over.

Similarly if you are download enthusiast and use the newsgroups and pay for Giganews or similar you will probably get a 40-50Mbit connection. Other wise 15Mbit is what you will connect to most sites at if your lucky.

i agree Giganews or easynews could possibly max out a 50 meg connection, but they might have to increase the number of concurrent connections allowed to their servers. giganews allow 20 SSL connections atm. i have a feeling this will have to increase. your disc space shrinks at an alarming rate when downloading from newsgroups unless you back up to DL DVD or Bluray(which is a PITA). if VM increase speeds to 50 meg then i for one will have to be a lot more selective in my downloads.

[Nicosia]

how aboutt he download limit from 4-9 ont he 50meg connection? any news as to what that will be? maybe 5GB?

[webcrawler2050]

Been sent this by tech support

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html.../schedule.html

[bigsinky]

Originally Posted by Nicosia

how aboutt he download limit from 4-9 ont he 50meg connection? any news as to what that will be? maybe 5GB?

my 20Mbit connection drops to about 5Mbit at peak hours, so by that reckoning 50Mbit would may go to 12 - 13Mbit.

[Jabbs]

Not really the 50m will be running on DOCSIS 3 system compared to the old DOCSIS1/2 so if anything it should be good and if loads jump over to it(heavy downloaders) it should make the 20/10/2 much better.

[hokkers999]

Originally Posted by bigsinky

£37 for a 2Mbit service. Totally unacceptable. Don't suppose it would do you any good to complain. what speeds do you think you would get if you downgraded to a 2 or 4Mbit service?

I have to say that when my cable connection went down NTL were out the next day and replaced my Ambit modem with the new NTL250.

I downgraded from 10 meg to 2 meg and it's been rock solid ever since. Works very nicely thanks.

Hope they keep that option when they do all these changes later on this year.