Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] - Page 17

TheBlueRaja · 27-02-2008, 14:04

Another reason to dump VM, when will people learn.

Stuart · 27-02-2008, 14:42

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Another reason to dump VM, when will people learn.

However, BT and Carphone Warehouse are already trialling, with Sky considering it.

TheBlueRaja · 27-02-2008, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

However, BT and Carphone Warehouse are already trialling, with Sky considering it.

Source? (Sky considering that is).

Traduk · 27-02-2008, 16:03

I would also like to know the source.

Actually it makes sense for Sky to consider and reject. If and when there is a data leak scandal it would give them both the opportunity and ability through press associations to exploit the scandal fully with a told you so added angle.

**Mick** · 27-02-2008, 17:53

According to El Reg: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02...a_summer_2007/

BT have been doing this as early as last summer in secret... Makes for interesting reading

Edit: According to The Reg, Phorm have or are approaching all UK ISPs to get them to sign them up for this...

TheBlueRaja · 27-02-2008, 18:29

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Originally Posted by Mick

According to El Reg: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02...a_summer_2007/

BT have been doing this as early as last summer in secret... Makes for interesting reading

Edit: According to The Reg, Phorm have or are approaching all UK ISPs to get them to sign them up for this...

That is a hell of a difference from "Sky are considering it" though (assuming that's what your edit refers too after Stuart C's comment.)

I get salesman at the door sometimes but it doesn't mean i consider buying anything.

**Mick** · 27-02-2008, 18:36

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That is a hell of a difference from "Sky are considering it" though (assuming that's what your edit refers too after Stuart C's comment.)

No it doesn't. But let's say they might consider it, that would be *another* reason for you to ditch them and then perhaps you can 'learn' with the rest of us can't you?, as you put it earlier.

Toto · 27-02-2008, 18:39

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

That is a hell of a difference from "Sky are considering it" though (assuming that's what your edit refers too after Stuart C's comment.)

I get salesman at the door sometimes but it doesn't mean i consider buying anything.

Indeed, I don't think Sky are that daft.....that said though they make hardly anything from their BB products, so they may well see it as a viable option if the current uproar dies down.

Sirius · 27-02-2008, 18:45

I WILL dump virgin for ALL my products if this goes ahead and is OPT OUT not OPT IN, However if BT have been selling private data without informing there customers then i would not put it past Virgin to do that as well ?

**Mick** · 27-02-2008, 18:47

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Indeed, I don't think Sky are that daft.....that said though they make hardly anything from their BB products, so they may well see it as a viable option if the current uproar dies down.

I don't think it will die down unless one of several things happen..

Virgin Media announce they are not to commence any form of data tracking analysis and then sell this information on to a third party for further monetary gain.

If they do announce that they are doing this or some form of information comes out that they have commenced it, they need to apply the option that this is an 'Opt in' facility and not an 'Opt out' one.

TheBlueRaja · 27-02-2008, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Mick

No it doesn't. But let's say they might consider it, that would be *another* reason for you to ditch them and then perhaps you can 'learn' with the rest of us can't you?, as you put it earlier.

So your argument is that although Sky are not currently considering this (as far as we are aware), or traffic shaping etc that i should pretend they are so that i can dump them and move to somebody like, say, VM who are actually doing this and charging more for the privilege?

I've got to say, brilliant idea my man, truly brilliant.

**Mick** · 27-02-2008, 18:59

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

So your argument is that although Sky are not currently considering this, or traffic shaping etc that i should pretend they are so that i can dump them and move to somebody like, say, VM who are actually doing this and charging more for the privilege?

That would be some argument you have invented on a whim because I certainly haven't said anything of the sort. Although...

...It really goes to show that you don't take anything in, Virgin Media are not currently doing this for the moment, they haven't decided to start this yet. If you actually bother to take in what is being said to you and not interpret some invented crap and make up some arguement to suit your own one sided agenda, you might actually be someone worth having a debate with.

Stuart · 27-02-2008, 19:37

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Source? (Sky considering that is).

Guardian article linked a few pages back.

TheBlueRaja · 27-02-2008, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

Guardian article linked a few pages back.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...bt.virginmedia

Your spinning it, the quote is:-

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Ertugrul said Phorm is talking to all the UK's ISPs and has also initiated talks in the other countries, including in the US, about OIX.

Absolutely no direct mention of Sky in that article, your inferring that as they are talking to "all ISP's" that Sky are concidering it.

Naughty, Naughty...

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Originally Posted by Mick

That would be some argument you have invented on a whim because I certainly haven't said anything of the sort. Although...

...It really goes to show that you don't take anything in, Virgin Media are not currently doing this for the moment, they haven't decided to start this yet. If you actually bother to take in what is being said to you and not interpret some invented crap and make up some arguement to suit your own one sided agenda, you might actually be someone worth having a debate with.

Aye, that's right Mick, your right and im wrong again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbZDjnWtK1A

Stuart · 27-02-2008, 19:53

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...bt.virginmedia

Your spinning it, the quote is:-

Absolutely no direct mention of Sky in that article, your inferring that as they are talking to "all ISP's" that Sky are concidering it.

Naughty, Naughty...

I did read that Sky were considering it.

Anyhow, if you aren't interested in this companies actions, why post in a thread about it? Unless you just want to use it to further your anti-vm agenda.