3 little......BANNED animals

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Would that be back when the NF fell apart then?
Is that what you're talking about?

No and don't try and paint me that way. In other words grow up. You make me sick with your holy er than thou attitude. I will not be dictated to by you or any one else so go try picking on someone else GOT IT. I have never been and never will be a member of that party so don't you ever try to say i was

Originally Posted by BBKing

This just in from the Health and Safety Executive:

'Product Recall Warning: Daily Mail Readership - May Contain Dangerous Nuts'

There isn't a PC brigade. If there were it would be visible to the naked eye. Which it isn't. Because it doesn't exist. Like the story of the Three Little Pigs, in fact, although that may come as a shock to some.



Nasty little question - given that the UK is a fully franchised democracy, Muslims just as much as anyone else are entitled to campaign (but not, however, to demand) to change this country's culture and indeed laws. Therefore zing's statement can be rewritten 'I'm fed up with this country being a democracy'. Discuss.



Prove it. Resorting to worn out cheap 80s stereotypes doesn't help your argument, I can provide several Guardian/Observer columnists (Nick Cohen springs unpleasantly to mind) who are among our worst Islamophobes and would fit neatly into zinglebarb's world view. Find a Grauniad article supportive of Becta's action or any other 'PC gone mad' story and I'll send you a biscuit.

im used to having what I say re written in current affairs I just speak my mind

But hey democracy means all the tax problems we have all the unwanted wars corrupt government woohoo democracy

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

im used to having what I say re written in current affairs I just speak my mind

But hey democracy means all the tax problems we have all the unwanted wars corrupt government woohoo democracy

Our government is far from perfect (and you will never hear me say it is), but remember this: Countries who don't have democracies also don't offer a lot of the freedoms (things such as, oohh, the freedom to express thoughts and feelings that don't agree with what the government says) that, thanks to democracy, ours does.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Sirius

No and don't try and paint me that way. In other words grow up. You make me sick with your holy er than thou attitude. I will not be dictated to by you or any one else so go try picking on someone else GOT IT. I have never been and never will be a member of that party so don't you ever try to say i was

Sorry, but when you said "We lost the country a few years back" in relation to muslims, what else are people supposed to think? Not that I actually suggested you were a member. Touchy aren't you?
Are you honestly suggesting that Muslims cannot be British, and this is not their country as well as suggesting that the country was lost to them?

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

Our government is far from perfect (and you will never hear me say it is), but remember this: Countries who don't have democracies also don't offer a lot of the freedoms (things such as, oohh, the freedom to express thoughts and feelings that don't agree with what the government says) that, thanks to democracy, ours does.

I do not feel I can express my thoughts and feelings how I wish on this forum let alone in public

[ginge51]

Originally Posted by Paul

Lets face it, with current mentality there will soon be a time when all references to the words black, brown, pigs, golliwoggs, sheep etc will be banned completely. Common sense has no place in this world at the moment, it's all down to a perception of a possible offence being caused instead of actually asking the groups involved whether they actually care about the references.

I totally agree mate.

[BBKing]

Just in case anyone's interested in some balance:

http://news.becta.org.uk/display.cfm...658&catID=1633

which doesn't mention pigs, Asians or Muslims at all, unsurprisingly.

Now for some investigation. It is just possible that, given that they were shortlisting four out of goodness knows how many products that the whole thing is a PR blitz by Shoo-fly designed to use the magic words 'Muslims' and 'political correctness' to cover up for noses being out of joint at not being shortlisted by BECTA. Notably, close reading of the story reveals that the whole thing derives from feedback from BECTA to Shoo-fly, which was in turn revealed to the BBC by Merlin John of, er, http://www.merlinjohnonline.net who got it from, er, Shoo-fly. Good publicity for Mr. John here, who has previous in being critical of BECTA and has recently struck out on his own, which doubtless had no bearing on his decision to stick an attention-grabbing story on his own blog.

The Three Little Cowboy Builders, a highly entertaining and funny digital 3D pop-up book that had already been voted Best Primary Resource and Innovation in Education by headteachers in the Education Resources Awards was denounced in over-the-top "politically correct" terms by the Becta judges.

So much for blaming teachers, they gave it an award. Ho hum. Does anyone else think Mr. John's article reads like an advert? Cynical old me.

Without access to the *full* original feedback we have no way of knowing what weight was given to the pig or builder aspects of the story, so we're in some way flying a bit blind here (and the BBC is being rubbish at reporting it in a balanced way, by the way, they shouldn't allow themselves to be used as a one-sided mouthpiece).

im used to having what I say re written in current affairs I just speak my mind

Yes, sorry, I did correct the spelling and punctuation. The meaning, however, I left intact. I applaud your good sense in throwing in the towel before stepping into Xac and my carefully constructed Bigot Traps, though.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I do not feel I can express my thoughts and feelings how I wish on this forum let alone in public

You can express your opinion. However, you must also remember that (as with discussion in off line life) other people are free to disagree.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Sorry, but when you said "We lost the country a few years back" in relation to muslims, what else are people supposed to think? Not that I actually suggested you were a member. Touchy aren't you?
Are you honestly suggesting that Muslims cannot be British, and this is not their country as well as suggesting that the country was lost to them?
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No i was saying that we lost this country to the "your not to mention Pigs, The War, Or anything that might upset anyone anywhere anytime" Group. Did i mention Muslims no i did not so your post is a typical example of what i am talking about. You made the decision that i was being racist and wadded in with you idea of who i am. Well you are wrong as is the norm.

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Pc brigade is alive and well and just accused me of being a racist

[ginge51]

Originally Posted by Damien

Of course some are, every group was racists, nutters, criminals, murders and whatever else you can think of. It is not however, indicitive of the entire Muslim population. That is an important distinction because otherwise all groups will be help responsible for the actions of a minority. It is the same logic that lets terrorist justify their actions against innocent people in the west based on collective responsibility.

You yourself have argued in favor of Jehovah's Witnesses, saying that people should not believe the negative press that is often published about them. Shouldnt the same be applied to Muslims?

Man what a load of <EDITED - JEFFERSON T>.
I'm so.so sick of hearing the word "Muslim" .
Oh the Muslims won't like it if we have a pork sandwich(i wonder if pork will be the next thing to be banned from advertisements on tv???).
Why do we have to please "MUSLIMS" all the <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> time?
Why can't we just say whatever needs to be said without it "offending" "Muslims" every <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> time a pork <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> sandwich or some other crap appears on tv advertisement ?
Hardly free speech.
I hope this sorts itself out seriously <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> up this is.
Who gives a <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> about 3 <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> pigs ffs?
Oh i forgot It's them "Muslims again.
We hear that word so many times.

Originally Posted by Stuart C

You can express your opinion. However, you must also remember that (as with discussion in off line life) other people are free to disagree.

it is not the disagreeing I am bothered about

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Sirius

No i was saying that we lost this country to the "your not to mention Pigs, The War, Or anything that might upset anyone anywhere anytime" Group. Did i mention Muslims no i did not so your post is a typical example of what i am talking about. You made the decision that i was being racist and wadded in with you idea of who i am. Well you are wrong as is the norm.

As I said, I've not suggested you were a member of the NF, I just asked if that was the time you were talking about.
Touchy indeed.

And why bring TheNorm into this? I don't think he's even posted

[dilli-theclaw]

I suggest we all calm down NOW. Also please can we have no more discussion of reps given or recieved or content of them.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

As I said, I've not suggested you were a member of the NF, I just asked if that was the time you were talking about.
Touchy indeed.

And why bring TheNorm into this? I don't think he's even posted

You implied.

[ginge51]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

dude im not gonna start having a discussion with you on this track again sorry not playing your game

Well said Zing Xaccers seems to be a spy from the Muslim council to me to come and try and Warp us all with his/her "great love for muslim " posts in threads.