sick Boy to be deported

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by alferret

... we are a compasionate nation but a line does have to be drawn somewhere, now or in the future....

Sometimes I think we are more compassionate about our pets than our fellow human beings.

Why does the line have to be drawn at deporting sick people, especially those who could be productive members of our society?

[alferret]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Sometimes I think we are more compassionate about our pets than our fellow human beings.

Why does the line have to be drawn at deporting sick people, especially those who could be productive members of our society?

Regardless of the ethics\circumstances his family has failed to gain asylum. The law states that they should be repatriated to their homeland, or should we just make it up as we go?

I dont have any pets and I'm compassionate towards my fellow countrymen\women and would rather see money spent on those than others.
I also only give to UK based charities that spend their money only in the UK, my preference.

You could if you so wished take this lad into your home, feed and clothe him at your expense and then you would feel a little better about the situation maybe.

[deadite66]

the NHS has limited resources if it was a case for helping one of your family or helping this kid who would you choose becouse that's what it amounts to.

as much as i would like to see all people helped its not the logical decision.

[WHISTLED]

Sometimes I think we are more compassionate about our pets than our fellow human beings.

I certainly am, but thats just me. I would probably put my dog before any person I dont know and many I do.

I also only give to UK based charities that spend their money only in the UK

As do I, 3 uk charities by monthly DD... Childline, NSPCC and RSPCA they probably total more than most residents give in a year so im a little compassionate with things I care about.

Why does the line have to be drawn at deporting sick people, especially those who could be productive members of our society?

because if being sick excludes you from deportation the UK will become an International Health Sevice

[lostandconfused]

I'm in two minds...

On one hand, as a well off nation we do have an obligation to help others in need.

But despite being well off, we still have limited resources and if word were to get out that if you come here as an illegal immigrant and are ill, it would open the flood gates to people coming to get health care and overwhealm our resources.

Maybe the answer is to deal with each application on its own merits, and not have a blanket rule for either side of the argument?

From the original newpaper article
"In 2004, Emmanuel's father, said to be a high-ranking official in Nigeria, abandoned the family and returned home. Since then, the family allege that he has made death threats against them. They sought asylum in the UK as a result."

[WHISTLED]

Maybe the answer is to deal with each application on its own merits, and not have a blanket rule for either side of the argument?

Then the decision falls down to somones own oppinion. Legal challenges are based upon set precidents which would make such a system one big loop hole

[Osem]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Sometimes I think we are more compassionate about our pets than our fellow human beings.

Why does the line have to be drawn at deporting sick people, especially those who could be productive members of our society?

It is a very sad situation but where should it be drawn then and are you going to be the one who informs those just the wrong side of it? It's not difficult for people to make all sorts of claims about why they're here in order to get what they want, be it health care, housing or anything else. How are the authorities supposed to check out those who are genuine from those who are not? If they can't do that and enforce their decisions then the flood gates are well and truly open aren't they? You make the point about potentially productive members of our society but does that imply it'd be OK to deport people who were ill and couldn't be productive? If so, is that fairer?

It's really not the people of the UK who are to blame for this situation, it's those who abuse the immigration/asylum system and in so doing spoil it for genuine asylum seekers.

[Escapee]

My view is letting this sick boy stay will make those who say they feel compasionate at ease with their conscience.

As a young woman from Zimbabwe explained to me, the asylum seekers you see here are the ones financially well off, not in any danger and able to get away. The ones who are really in danger outnumber them by a huge percentage but are unable to get away from danger.

Charity is a choice, its not something that is guaranteed. I will only give to UK charities even though I have heard some first hand touching stories from African countries. Unfortunately charities and people who want to do good often overlook the corruption that takes their donations away from the intended recipients.

Charity is a booming industry and some people are driving nice expensive cars and living in big houses off the back of it.

[Xaccers]

No wonder so many Brits are leaving the country if some of the attitudes in this thread are anything to go by!
On of the things I consider being British includes is doing the decent thing, and that means helping those in need wherever and however possible.
If someone is fleeing for their life, then of course we should help them!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

No wonder so many Brits are leaving the country if some of the attitudes in this thread are anything to go by!
On of the things I consider being British includes is doing the decent thing, and that means helping those in need wherever and however possible.
If someone is fleeing for their life, then of course we should help them!

The UK has a very long history of doing the decent thing and helping people who are fleeing from persecution. Kosovo is just one example and it won't be the last. In my experience people here are more than willing to help the genuine but are fed up with large scale abuses of the system. How many of those leaving the UK go to places like NZ and Australia? How are their records on immigration and asylum? Intercepting boats full of refugees and leaving them to rot on islands miles from anywhere? How many go to places like France whose welcome to asylum seekers extends only as far as giving them free passage to the Channel Ports. Perhaps it's the people leaving the UK for places like that are the ones you need to worry about. I wonder how many of them give generously to Third World charities to help the afflcted.

[WHISTLED]

If someone is fleeing for their life, then of course we should help them!

Correct me if im wrong but in the case mentioned above the woman was in fear of her life from her husband not by any group or the. Assuming she wasnt from a small principality (sp?) I see no reason why she and many other so called asylum seekers cannot re-locate in their own country

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

Correct me if im wrong but in the case mentioned above the woman was in fear of her life from her husband not by any group or the. Assuming she wasnt from a small principality (sp?) I see no reason why she and many other so called asylum seekers cannot re-locate in their own country

Oh that's right, her ex hubby is just some bloke who works in a corner shop and isn't powerful enough to have members of the army under his command, oh wait...

[WHISTLED]

Oh that's right, her ex hubby is just some bloke who works in a corner shop and isn't powerful enough to have members of the army under his command, oh wait...

I have read that 3 times and I havent had a drink since Wednesday but I still dont have a clue where you were going with that.

I have made no assumptions, all my comments are based upon the 2 articles and my view point. The article states the father was 'said to be' a high up official. He could be in charge of milk tokens..?!

You seem to have turned a husband that abandomed his wife and child into an evil dictator.