Madeleine McCann

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Tbh it was bad enough having to give succour to those that did come over, at least when he was shot it was a genuine tragic mistake, how many hundreds of thousands of kids did Brazillian police get away with murdering each year, their only crime was to be poor and homeless, perhaps we should have asked them how those investigations were going before accepting their help

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It's from the article I posted earlier

Sorry missed that bit

[slug]

Which if so, why would they hide the body ? An accident is an accident

Possible charges of child neglect?

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

It does not matter wether something was found or not, what matters is that it should have been done properly the first time around !

It wasn't done properly first time round according to the UK police and press?

Same UK police who throughout the years have cocked up investigations too. The press want a story and to point blame, some pointed it at the parents in the early stages, and now that its not flavour of the month to criticise them, let's start criticisng the Portuguese police.

Like an earlier poster said, if the Brazilian police started critcising the manner in which the police were tailing Mendez, let alone his shooting, then we would be making alsorts of excuses as to how they were doing their job properly.

Mistakes happen, and more importantly what is deemed right by some maybe viewed differently by others.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by slug

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Which if so, why would they hide the body ? An accident is an accident

Possible charges of child neglect?[/QUOTE]

It's a reasonable assumption I suppose seems a very dire choice to make though

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

It wasn't done properly first time round according to the UK police and press?

Same UK police who throughout the years have cocked up investigations too. The press want a story and to point blame, some pointed it at the parents in the early stages, and now that its not flavour of the month to criticise them, let's start criticisng the Portuguese police.

Like an earlier poster said, if the Brazilian police started critcising the manner in which the police were tailing Mendez, let alone his shooting, then we would be making alsorts of excuses as to how they were doing their job properly.

Mistakes happen, and more importantly what is deemed right by some maybe viewed differently by others.

The Portugese police have been out of their depth on this one since day one.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The Portugese police have been out of their depth on this one since day one.

Bit like the Bob Woolmer investigation, Chris you were right Johnny Foreigner can't be trusted

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Originally Posted by Chris T

No matter how hard I try, I can't come up with a convincing motive for the McCanns to have done such a thing. It just doesn't add up.

Nope me neither

[danielf]

Interestingly, the BBC only reports that the investigation had 'at least one British sniffer dog' present. They also mention 'suspected blood'.

Originally Posted by bbc

It is understood the find was made during a search - with at least one British sniffer dog - of the McCanns' now-vacant apartment in Praia da Luz.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6934322.stm

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Can you imagine the media reaction if MAddie had died in an accident whilst left alone in the apartment as the parents did so. The police would definately have arrested them then (its a criminal offence to leave kids unattended like that in Portugal according to friends and family I know who live there).

Maybe the McGanns came back, so she was dead, weighed up some options regarding outcomes of reporting it as opposed to dumping the body and claiming they are victims of child abduction. They would have something genuine to feel guilty about then.

Yep, it does sound like a daty time soap, but its totally feasible. I've never felt 100% about the copuple and it wouldnt suprise me if that happened.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by danielf

Interestingly, the BBC only reports that the investigation had 'at least one British sniffer dog' present. They also mention 'suspected blood'.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6934322.stm

I heard on BBC radio that the sniffer dog was trained to find blood traces, it was a Yorkshire terrier and the reporter knew it was English because some one spoke Portugese to it and it 'looked confused', God no one ever accuse Auntie of dumbing down

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Can you imagine the media reaction if MAddie had died in an accident whilst left alone in the apartment as the parents did so. The police would definately have arrested them then (its a criminal offence to leave kids unattended like that in Portugal according to friends and family I know who live there).

Maybe the McGanns came back, so she was dead, weighed up some options regarding outcomes of reporting it as opposed to dumping the body and claiming they are victims of child abduction. They would have something genuine to feel guilty about then.

Yep, it does sound like a daty time soap, but its totally feasible. I've never felt 100% about the copuple and it wouldnt suprise me if that happened.

The fact that you can describe a scenario does not make it likely, or even 'totally feasible' or even possibly feasible for that matter.

Trying to dispose of a body in a foreign country is a massively tall order for anyone, as would be the task of forensically cleaning the scene of death. I believe the McCanns are intelligent enough to know this and not to try - even if the child did die in an accident the parents would know they didn't have the expertise to hide it and too much to lose on discovery of the body (a guaranteed murder conviction and the loss of their remaining children).

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris T

The fact that you can describe a scenario does not make it likely, or even 'totally feasible' or even possibly feasible for that matter.

Trying to dispose of a body in a foreign country is a massively tall order for anyone, as would be the task of forensically cleaning the scene of death. I believe the McCanns are intelligent enough to know this and not to try - even if the child did die in an accident the parents would know they didn't have the expertise to hide it and too much to lose on discovery of the body (a guaranteed murder conviction and the loss of their remaining children).

Again, It has happened before.

There is no reason to suggest that it could not happen again in this scenario. What percentage of people would have the ability to hide/dump a cadaver ?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Again, It has happened before.

There is no reason to suggest that it could not happen again in this scenario. What percentage of people would have the ability to hide/dump a cadaver ?

And then orchestrate what can only be described as a media circus to get their girl back? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it seems very unlikely (and stupid if it were true) to me.

[slug]

Originally Posted by Chris T

The fact that you can describe a scenario does not make it likely, or even 'totally feasible' or even possibly feasible for that matter.

Trying to dispose of a body in a foreign country is a massively tall order for anyone, as would be the task of forensically cleaning the scene of death. I believe the McCanns are intelligent enough to know this and not to try - even if the child did die in an accident the parents would know they didn't have the expertise to hide it and too much to lose on discovery of the body (a guaranteed murder conviction and the loss of their remaining children).

It has taken 3 months to find the blood.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by danielf

And then orchestrate what can only be described as a media circus to get their girl back? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it seems very unlikely (and stupid if it were true) to me.

What better way to divert attention ??

unlikely perhaps, but not impossible EDIT: In fact im pretty sure it has been done in the recent past

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Originally Posted by slug

It has taken 3 months to find the blood.

some blood, not yet confirmed as to whose it is or if it holds any relevant information to the ongoing investigation

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Again, It has happened before.

There is no reason to suggest that it could not happen again in this scenario. What percentage of people would have the ability to hide/dump a cadaver ?

The fact that something has happened before does not make it any more likely that it has happened here. Each individual case has to stand on its own evidence.

It is a fact of human nature that we as a species are capable of hurting and destroying our own children. There is no news there. What we have to do is look at the circumstances here and ask how likely is it that this has happened.

When child murder occurs in the UK the body - or bodies - are usually found, and found within a reasonabley sort space of time. They are not well disposed of because the vast majority of people are not professional killers with an understanding of how to defeat police search techniques.

The challenge of disposing of a body in wholly unfamiliar territory is all the greater - enough to dissuade all but the most determined from trying and to make it less likely that a body could remain concealed for long.

What is lacking in all these 'The family did it' conspiracy theories is a convincing motive. 'covering up a tragic accident' does not stack up as a motive as the family do not have the skill to cover it up and they have far too much to lose.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Chris T

The fact that you can describe a scenario does not make it likely, or even 'totally feasible' or even possibly feasible for that matter.

Trying to dispose of a body in a foreign country is a massively tall order for anyone, as would be the task of forensically cleaning the scene of death. I believe the McCanns are intelligent enough to know this and not to try - even if the child did die in an accident the parents would know they didn't have the expertise to hide it and too much to lose on discovery of the body (a guaranteed murder conviction and the loss of their remaining children).

Actually Chris a sceanario like that is totally feasible. Yes its difficult to dispose of a body in a foreign country, but isnt this what is now said to have happened anyway. That is she could have died at the scene and someone's disposed of her body.

You are giving insights into what you think the Mcganns are capable/not capable off, what if they thought that they had enough expertise to clean the scene properly (being from medical backgrounds might have helped).

Unfortunately parents do kill children (im not saying its happened here) and as much as we dont like to see it happen its a fact that it does happen.

My sceanario is totally feasible. You are right, intelligent people should know that they are likely to get caught by covering up a death, but its been done before, and not all criminals are stupid.