Rebel without a nicotine patch

[BBKing]

Dangerous ginger Scotsman warned by police for smoking out of a train window...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6278414.stm

Charlie for PM!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Dangerous ginger Scotsman warned by police for smoking out of a train window...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6278414.stm

Charlie for PM!

No doubt his Lib Dem pals will soon be rallying around claiming he doesn't have a nicotine problem.

[Shaun]

It could be worse, he could have been having a fag in the toilet!

Originally Posted by Shaun

It could be worse, he could have been having a fag in the toilet!

oh no, some-one is going to say 'butt', now

- bum, I just did

- they have suction toilets in trains, now

But (single t), & trying to be serious, he was a little silly, wasn't he?

[Shaun]

A proper Charlie!

*looks both ways for Nug - talk about gold plated opportunity!

[BBKing]

The law is, however, not totally clear on this. My local station is smoke-free despite having no buildings other than a booking office open only on weekday peaks. The rest of the time there are no staff and the breeze wafts gently up from the river. There's a public road immediately behind the platform, and I've wondered if smoking leaning over that would be illegal. Charlie would presumably have been fine if the train was moving, but smoking out of the window in a station is either illegal because smoking's banned in the train, or because it's banned in the station. Whip round for some Niquitin?

[Mal]

Originally Posted by BBKing

The law is, however, not totally clear on this. My local station is smoke-free despite having no buildings other than a booking office open only on weekday peaks. The rest of the time there are no staff and the breeze wafts gently up from the river. There's a public road immediately behind the platform, and I've wondered if smoking leaning over that would be illegal. Charlie would presumably have been fine if the train was moving, but smoking out of the window in a station is either illegal because smoking's banned in the train, or because it's banned in the station. Whip round for some Niquitin?

Strangely, I noticed a sign on the tram stop, near my work, saying that smoking was banned there. Apart from a rain shelter that has one side and a roof, the platform is open, with no buildings.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by BBKing

The law is, however, not totally clear on this. My local station is smoke-free despite having no buildings other than a booking office open only on weekday peaks. The rest of the time there are no staff and the breeze wafts gently up from the river. There's a public road immediately behind the platform, and I've wondered if smoking leaning over that would be illegal. Charlie would presumably have been fine if the train was moving, but smoking out of the window in a station is either illegal because smoking's banned in the train, or because it's banned in the station. Whip round for some Niquitin?

Isn't there a bi-law that prohibits smoking anywhere on the railway where there is a no smoking sign?

Originally Posted by Mal

Strangely, I noticed a sign on the tram stop, near my work, saying that smoking was banned there. Apart from a rain shelter that has one side and a roof, the platform is open, with no buildings.

Linky
"From 6am on Sunday 1 July, smoking will be prohibited on all station concourses, ticket halls, on platforms – covered and uncovered - and footbridges and subways at station premises. Also retail and food outlets will be covered.
This will affect all 1,900 railway stations in England and also applies to railway offices - station offices, canteens and workplace areas which are covered by the legislation. However, smoking will still be permitted on most station forecourts and in (uncovered) station car parks.
......
While the legislation affects covered or partially-covered premises, the railways are using existing railway bye-laws to extend the smoke-free environment to all uncovered platforms and footbridges for reasons of practicality and simplicity."

And at the bottom of the article
"Station premises including corridors, lifts, toilets, waiting rooms, reception areas, waiting rooms and shelters etc; railway offices - No smoking
On trains - No smoking
Platforms and footbridges – covered, uncovered and partially covered; Subways - No smoking
Areas external to the station such as most uncovered car parks and station forecourts - Smoking permitted "

Originally Posted by BBKing

...Charlie would presumably have been fine if the train was moving...

I assumed that the train was moving at the time.

That report doesn't say that it wasn't.

[BBKing]

I somehow gleaned that he was leaning out of the window at a station, otherwise it would be rather difficult to light, I suspect. It's a pretty desperate addiction that forces you to hang out of the window of a moving 125, surely?

Given the number of unstaffed stations, it's a fairly silly extension, since it's fundamentally not enforceable enough to act as a deterrent. For instance, a footbridge not at a station is presumably OK, or a road bridge over a station, or leaning against the station fence or [etc.]. Full of loopholes - at which point does the forecourt become the station - at my local stop they essentially merge into each other with no barrier.

The fact that it's a railway byelaw does let Charlie off, as he wouldn't have been voting on that (we can assume that he's either familiar with the primary smokefree legislation or not doing his job properly, but he might not be familiar with the extent of the simultaneous railway extension).

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by BBKing

I somehow gleaned that he was leaning out of the window at a station, otherwise it would be rather difficult to light, I suspect. It's a pretty desperate addiction that forces you to hang out of the window of a moving 125, surely?

Given the number of unstaffed stations, it's a fairly silly extension, since it's fundamentally not enforceable enough to act as a deterrent. For instance, a footbridge not at a station is presumably OK, or a road bridge over a station, or leaning against the station fence or [etc.]. Full of loopholes - at which point does the forecourt become the station - at my local stop they essentially merge into each other with no barrier.

The fact that it's a railway byelaw does let Charlie off, as he wouldn't have been voting on that (we can assume that he's either familiar with the primary smokefree legislation or not doing his job properly, but he might not be familiar with the extent of the simultaneous railway extension).

If you use the trains regularly (which I assume he does) you know they're all non-smoking and have been for a while now. Who was the last to go GNER? There's normally announcements too so there's no excuse.

[BBKing]

I presume he knew it was non-smoking on the train, hence the hanging out of the window on arrival at a station gasping for a fag. Unfortunately, it's now illegal to do that, too.

At Winnersh Triangle station there's an underpass (actually a normal brick rail-over-road arch) which is half shared with a public footpath (fence down the middle, usually busted at some point for a shortcut). Presumably the half that's part of the walking route between the platforms is smoke-free, while you can freely smoke a couple of 12 inch cigars on the other half.

[Mal]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Linky
"From 6am on Sunday 1 July, smoking will be prohibited on all station concourses, ticket halls, on platforms – covered and uncovered - and footbridges and subways at station premises. Also retail and food outlets will be covered.
This will affect all 1,900 railway stations in England and also applies to railway offices - station offices, canteens and workplace areas which are covered by the legislation. However, smoking will still be permitted on most station forecourts and in (uncovered) station car parks.
......
While the legislation affects covered or partially-covered premises, the railways are using existing railway bye-laws to extend the smoke-free environment to all uncovered platforms and footbridges for reasons of practicality and simplicity."

And at the bottom of the article
"Station premises including corridors, lifts, toilets, waiting rooms, reception areas, waiting rooms and shelters etc; railway offices - No smoking
On trains - No smoking
Platforms and footbridges – covered, uncovered and partially covered; Subways - No smoking
Areas external to the station such as most uncovered car parks and station forecourts - Smoking permitted "

Are tram stops covered by railway byelaws? They aren't part of the railway.

[iglu]

Originally Posted by BBKing

I presume he knew it was non-smoking on the train, hence the hanging out of the window on arrival at a station gasping for a fag. Unfortunately, it's now illegal to do that, too.

At Winnersh Triangle station there's an underpass (actually a normal brick rail-over-road arch) which is half shared with a public footpath (fence down the middle, usually busted at some point for a shortcut). Presumably the half that's part of the walking route between the platforms is smoke-free, while you can freely smoke a couple of 12 inch cigars on the other half.

"He kept puffing throughout the three-hour trip"