03-07-2007, 23:00
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by Stuart C
A quick question.
Has it been conclusively and scientifically proved that passive smoking is dangerous? Not saying it isn't, it's just I don't recall seeing any evidence of anyone seriously investigating the claim.
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"Secondhand tobacco smoke kills at least 3600 people a year in the UK, according to a new study, including the death of one pub or bar worker every week.
Konrad Jamrozik at Imperial College, London, UK, says exposure to secondhand smoke in all workplaces leads to the deaths of around 700 people a year."
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03-07-2007, 23:09
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Re: smoking and the pub
The figures ASH give suggest to me it's NOT as dangerous as the government would have us think. Yes, 54 deaths in the Hospitality industry a year is bad. However, there are 100s of thousands of people working in that industry, possibly millions.
And, actually, those figures (and others I have seen) are considerably lower than I was expecting.
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03-07-2007, 23:30
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Re: smoking and the pub
Damn! Looking at those links it would appear I'm doomed...I'm going to die. 
But then that's the usual outcome to life anyway. 
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04-07-2007, 00:30
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
Damn! Looking at those links it would appear I'm doomed...I'm going to die.
But then that's the usual outcome to life anyway. |
Buggrit! Millenium Hand and Shrimp 
PS the pub was empty but for one person when I arrived tonight.
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04-07-2007, 14:53
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Buggrit! Millenium Hand and Shrimp
PS the pub was empty but for one person when I arrived tonight. |
One of my friends who owns a pub says his taking have gone up 50% on both food and drink!
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04-07-2007, 15:35
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Re: smoking and the pub
Dominoes match took a bit longer allowing for ciggy breaks between matches, but it was really nice to be in a smoke free environment and get home not stinking of smoke!
Seems to be whilst only 25% of the population still smoke 90% of them are pub regulars 
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04-07-2007, 17:46
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by Angua
Seems to be whilst only 25% of the population still smoke 90% of them are pub regulars |
"Only 25%" rather dismissive way of describing millions of people
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04-07-2007, 17:56
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
"Only 25%" rather dismissive way of describing millions of people
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Ah but when I started smoking only 25% of the population didn't smoke. Much has changed in the intervening years, including a growth in population!
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04-07-2007, 18:09
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Re: smoking and the pub
I think the figure is a little higher then 25% but whatever it is i think there was a way both groups could have been happy without wholesale removal of rights for one group. It is that the removal of rights that has got to me not the fact i have to go outside for a fag i prefer cold to hot so usually went outside anyway  .
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04-07-2007, 19:42
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by Chris T
At the risk of taking this thread right round in a big circle ... this legislation has been brought in as a health and safety at work measure, not a public health measure.
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No, it hasn't. Hasn't anyone realised yet that it's a political issue? Or rather, that the government has made it into one? What's happened is that Bliar's government noticed that there were a great many non-smokers who would approve of such a ban. These people are voters. So they think they're doing what the voters want, in order to help ensure Labour's re-eelection. Health and safety has nothing to do with it - otherwise the ban would have been total, i.e. no more smoking, anywhere.
It'll be interesting to see what happens come the Election; how many smokers will vote Labour, I wonder?
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There really is no grounds for objecting to this, it was a free vote in Parliament and is a truly democratic law.
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Except that it removes freedom of choice. As a non-smoker myself, I think it would be a good idea if it really were about H & S, but I don't like the way it's been done. I don't think there was anything wrong with having areas set aside for smokers, as there was at our place. This is a draconian overreaction, typical of Labour as it is today.
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04-07-2007, 23:04
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Re: smoking and the pub
As i have said this law was not necessary and has taken away rights from a large percentage of the population. Oh and as for the last election being a referendum on this it wasn't not in one bit of election guff that i got did it say this was definately going to happen they were thinking about introducing a voluntary solution. Like i said there was middle ground to be had here that could have satisified both groups and that wasn't done.
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04-07-2007, 23:22
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Re: smoking and the pub
Industry self regulation should have been tried first IMO, some pubs would have been non smoking and some smoking, it may have worked and we would still have had freedom of choice!
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04-07-2007, 23:24
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Re: smoking and the pub
Fantastic, just been for a few beers and a thai, and still smell as fresh as before i went out
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04-07-2007, 23:31
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy
Fantastic, just been for a few beers and a thai, and still smell as fresh as before i went out
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'cept for the beer breath!
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04-07-2007, 23:33
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by smiffing
'cept for the beer breath!
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Your should smell the Thai
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