Creationism vs Evolution, Equal? - Page 30

Action Jackson · 20-04-2007, 14:15

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Originally Posted by danielf

The eye and the flagella are supposed to be evidence of items that are too complex to have arisen from evolution (by example, as not everything would be considered too complex). As it is, the evidence doesn't stand up, which is rather unfortunate for them as it leaves the theory unsubstantiated. If the evidence would stand up it would be problematic for the Evolution theory.

Obviously, there is no evidence that a creator exists, that is the implication/speculation. Also, I don't believe they say (out loud), that the creator is (the Christian) God.

Thing is, both the flagella and the eye have been shown to have design flaws(assuming for the moment that they were designed). The flagella has been shown to be a highly inefficient 'motor' and the eye(without recalling the exact biological/scientific details - maybe someone can remind me) is by no means perfect either.

So are we to expect that a being like god who defies the laws of physics and is perfect in every way, designed 2 items that are fundamentally flawed?

danielf · 20-04-2007, 14:21

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Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Thing is, both the flagella and the eye have been shown to have design flaws(assuming for the moment that they were designed). The flagella has been shown to be a highly inefficient 'motor' and the eye(without recalling the exact biological/scientific details - maybe someone can remind me) is by no means perfect either.

So are we to expect that a being like god who defies the laws of physics and is perfect in every way, designed 2 items that are fundamentally flawed?

Don't get me wrong. I think that ID is a load of tosh which shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children as it's unscientific and an attempt to teach religion to impresisionable young minds through the back door. My point however, was that, when criticising it, please criticise it for the right reasons (as you did above). Not just for using examples as you appeared to do in your earlier post, as that, in itself, is a perfectly valid strategy.

Action Jackson · 20-04-2007, 14:27

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Originally Posted by danielf

My point however, was that, when criticising it, please criticise it for the right reasons (as you did above). Not just for using examples as you appeared to do in your earlier post, as that, in itself, is a perfectly valid strategy.

Fair enough.

downquark1 · 20-04-2007, 15:10

Chimps More evolved than humans

TheDaddy · 20-04-2007, 15:42

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Ever seen animals lie, libel, slander, devise pogroms, murder for recreation and peform crossword puzzles?

Chimps have been known to kill for fun as have killer whales

Xaccers · 20-04-2007, 15:46

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Chimps have been known to kill for fun as have killer whales

Exactly, suggesting that humans are simply animals, not something special (unless you count the crossword puzzles)

Stuart · 20-04-2007, 16:39

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Chimps have been known to kill for fun as have killer whales

As have (or so I believe) cats.

Mr Angry · 20-04-2007, 17:07

Blessed are the cheese makers.

**Maggy** · 20-04-2007, 19:13

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

yeah well I know plenty of atheists who are numbskulls

downquark1 · 27-04-2007, 20:20

I reluctantly resurrect this thread, I found these videos very interesting, mainly as it shows a muslim making a sound, reasoned point, not something u see often in mainstream media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkZm2CxbdI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmMlY...elated&search=

TheBlueRaja · 24-05-2007, 17:05

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

I think its finally time to start teaching that the Holocaust never happend in history class.

After all its an alternative point of view believed by many.

And its happened as predicted way back in April, you see what i mean, you give in once and thats it...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Hope your all happy.

And before you all go jumping down my throat i suggest you read what i wrote - starting at post 52 before your start to comment.

Xaccers · 24-05-2007, 17:07

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

And its happened as predicted way back in April, you see what i mean, you give in once and thats it...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Hope your all happy.

Didn't we have a thread about that a month or so ago?
I'm pretty sure it related to coursework rather than discussions in lessons. Instead of the holocaust, other historical events were chosen.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34280327-post34.html

TheBlueRaja · 24-05-2007, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Didn't we have a thread about that a month or so ago?
Consisted of the usual lot blaming muslims while more sensible people said if it was true it was the fault of teachers.
I'm pretty sure it related to coursework rather than discussions in lessons. Instead of the holocaust, other historical events were chosen.

Kind off, i started that argument based on a belief that if you let one "theory" get in the door then what's to stop other equally daft ones getting a foot in too.

Then this happens, proving my point.

But i see there were separate arguments in other threads about the same thing now.

Stuart · 25-06-2007, 22:03

Well, our government don't think creationism should be taught as a science. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/25/id_not_science/

TheBlueRaja · 25-06-2007, 22:17

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

Well, our government don't think creationism should be taught as a science. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/25/id_not_science/

Whoohoo!

One less group of nuts to worry about - gives me faith that even though this country is screwed up were not as screwed up as the yanks!

Well done the UK!