27-05-2007, 11:26
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Re: smoking and the pub
Zing, you're absolutely right that non smokers have the right to live, sleep, eat in a smoke free environment - I've no issue with that.
I do find it interesting though that there is no provision for retrospective claims in any of the current legislation and the country is awash with both legal and illegal tobacco forms. The ban, if indeed the health and wellbeing of people is its core purpose, is fraught with loopholes and contradictions which suggest that this is a "finger in the dyke" approach.
Whilst it might be a bit "over simplistic" for some I think that the Government would be seen to be genuinely interested in the health of its citizens by banning tobacco outright.
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27-05-2007, 17:46
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Re: smoking and the pub
But if they totally ban anything it will just go under ground and put cash in the hands of villain's imo it would just increase an already unbeatable drug problem in this country
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27-05-2007, 17:58
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Re: smoking and the pub
Just waiting for our no smoking signs in our vans
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27-05-2007, 18:17
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by Nedkelly
Just waiting for our no smoking signs in our vans 
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They're in the pipeline, i've just sent some off for printing for our stop smoking service which will be placed in local business company cars and vans.
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27-05-2007, 18:23
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Just waiting for our no smoking signs in our vans 
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Well we've been told we won't even be allowed to smoke in the car park at work as it's still classed as the workplace  Ok then, I guess the only other option of stand in front of the building off the property smoking and make the place look untidy. I see this all the time I go past garlands call centres, about 20 staff at the side of the buildnig smoking away. Makes the place look somewhat amateurish
Edit: Sorry, they are amateurish aint they
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27-05-2007, 18:26
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Well we've been told we won't even be allowed to smoke in the car park at work as it's still classed as the workplace  Ok then, I guess the only other option of stand in front of the building off the property smoking and make the place look untidy. I see this all the time I go past garlands call centres, about 20 staff at the side of the buildnig smoking away. Makes the place look somewhat amateurish
Edit: Sorry, they are amateurish aint they 
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Something to bear in mind that came to light recently in our organisation is your employers can state that within paid working hours you do not leave the property (therefore cannot smoke during working hours at all). This does not include lunchtimes because most don't get paid for them anyway.
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27-05-2007, 18:31
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Something to bear in mind that came to light recently in our organisation is your employers can state that within paid working hours you do not leave the property (therefore cannot smoke during working hours at all). This does not include lunchtimes because most don't get paid for them anyway.
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Isn't that against my human rights? Wait, I don't get those because I'm not an illegal immigrant, criminal or claiming dole
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27-05-2007, 18:38
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Isn't that against my human rights? Wait, I don't get those because I'm not an illegal immigrant, criminal or claiming dole 
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That has been tried by a pro-smoking group called FOREST i think, and it was decided it wasn't against human rights.
I'm dreading the ban tbh, even tho i work for a stop smoking service - we only want people to quit who are motivated to do so. This is pressure smokers don't need IMO.
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27-05-2007, 18:42
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Re: smoking and the pub
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That has been tried by a pro-smoking group called FOREST i think, and it was decided it wasn't against human rights.
I'm dreading the ban tbh, even tho i work for a stop smoking service - we only want people to quit who are motivated to do so. This is pressure smokers don't need IMO.
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I'm not really dreading it. I generally only smoke when I'm at work or out drinking. I recently went to Edinburgh and of course its all non smoking up there. I was perched at the bar and it never bothered me in the slightest that I couldn't have a ciggie.
I've even gone all day today without lighting up. Makes me wonder why I smoke to be honest. I wouldnt say I was addicted, more of a bad habit for me. Though it will feel weird going into the local social club and there not being clouds of pipe and cigar smoke
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27-05-2007, 18:46
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Re: smoking and the pub
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I'm not really dreading it. I generally only smoke when I'm at work or out drinking. I recently went to Edinburgh and of course its all non smoking up there. I was perched at the bar and it never bothered me in the slightest that I couldn't have a ciggie.
I've even gone all day today without lighting up. Makes me wonder why I smoke to be honest. I wouldnt say I was addicted, more of a bad habit for me. Though it will feel weird going into the local social club and there not being clouds of pipe and cigar smoke 
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I can take it or leave it having experienced general nights out in my home town of Liverpool compared to say Dublin or New York. I think people will be a bit lost at first, but most pubs that have the ability to put up some sort of smoking shelter will do so. Once the initial ban has been in place for a month or so - people will just adapt.
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27-05-2007, 18:52
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Re: smoking and the pub
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I can take it or leave it having experienced general nights out in my home town of Liverpool compared to say Dublin or New York. I think people will be a bit lost at first, but most pubs that have the ability to put up some sort of smoking shelter will do so. Once the initial ban has been in place for a month or so - people will just adapt.
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Yea thats what I found when I visited Scotland. Got talking to someone having a smoke outside and he said it took them all a while to adapt the situation, few people being barred out the locals, even arrested. But now it's just part of life.
I see the more "local" pubs to be a little less foreful in the ban with the regulars. Most I've spoke to said they would still allow smoking if only it was quiet. So during the day when they only have a few of the old men in for the afternoon pint. This I think would work better than an outright ban. I seriously can't think how the nightclubs etc are going to be able to cope. Just need to wait and watch
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27-05-2007, 19:01
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Most I've spoke to said they would still allow smoking if only it was quiet. So during the day when they only have a few of the old men in for the afternoon pint.
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But the landlord may then end up with a fine of £2,500 so i'm unsure if they will be quite so flexible
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27-05-2007, 19:15
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Re: smoking and the pub
My wife runs a pub which has been no smoking for 2 years now .Most customers know where they can smoke outside at first the was a lot of compliants but now they take it for granted
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28-05-2007, 09:45
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Re: smoking and the pub
looking forward to this i can then go to the pub see my mum without sum1 slowly killing me yey (and her)
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28-05-2007, 10:40
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Re: smoking and the pub
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That has been tried by a pro-smoking group called FOREST i think, and it was decided it wasn't against human rights.
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Makes sense, when are we withdrawing from the Geneva Convention then? Only under this government could those hostile to us, have more rights than citizens themselves, still it's all for our own good
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