smoking and the pub

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Quid pro quo eh? Don't fancy some fava beans with a nice Chianti do you...?

I have answered all your questions.

I obviously missed the bit where you've explained about your personal experiences of the afterlife, about how finding smokers "smell" is considered to be in keeping with "Love thy neighbour" and "Do unto others" and how you distinguish between someone knowing the risks of their job being acceptable / different dependant on the supposed moral bonafides of their job. Sorry there.

I'll stick to Heinz beans* if you don't mind.

I'm off to bed, nosdawch / oiche mhaith.

Peace.


*A special chow mein from the Oriental Inn - 02890 611999

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I obviously missed the bit where you've explained about your personal experiences of the afterlife,

You were serious with that? Seeing as it's entirely off topic (not to mention it's mixing up 'faith' with potential 'first hand experience') I just assumed it was your usual 'wit'.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

about how finding smokers "smell" is considered to be in keeping with "Love thy neighbour" and "Do unto others"

It fits perfectly thanks. I have the right to complain about others' behaviour just as much as anyone else.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

and how you distinguish between someone knowing the risks of their job being acceptable / different dependant on the supposed moral bonafides of their job. Sorry there.

You brought a dimension in to the equasion which I have no experience of (prostitution) - so I answered in terms of what I do know about - wrestling.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Russ B

You were serious with that? Seeing as it's entirely off topic (not to mention it's mixing up 'faith' with potential 'first hand experience') I just assumed it was your usual 'wit'.

You brought a dimension in to the equasion which I have no experience of (prostitution) - so I answered in terms of what I do know about - wrestling.

Ah, the old "off topic" defence. Plus ca change.

OK, at least now you've confirmed that you're in the habit of offering commentary on things you've no experience of - that clears things up a little.

Originally Posted by Russ B

It fits perfectly thanks. I have the right to complain about others' behaviour just as much as anyone else.

Yes, quite. In much the same way that I have the right to complain about others who practice things / behave in a manner which I don't (are you sensing a parity of esteem yet?).

However, I didn't query your right to complain. I asked you where your "they smell" attitude fitted in with the context / concept of "love thy neighbour" and "do unto others".

Perhaps you find that, like your "throw a Paddy" remark, a bit too akward to explain?

Anyway, I'll save you the bother / indignity by suggesting that we fall back on Ye Olde trustworthy "back on topic" clause - rather than command a factually sensible answer.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

OK, at least now you've confirmed that you're in the habit of offering commentary on things you've no experience of - that clears things up a little.

I do that, you do that, doesn't everyone?

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Yes, quite. In much the same way that I have the right to complain about others who practice things / behave in a manner which I don't (are you sensing a parity of esteem yet?).

Yes that's fine, as long as you keep things on-topic.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

However, I didn't query your right to complain. I asked you where your "they smell" attitude fitted in with the context / concept of "love thy neighbour" and "do unto others".

Quite well thanks. As I said I have the right to complain/comment about someone's bad habits encroaching on my privacy.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Perhaps you find that, like your "throw a Paddy" remark, a bit too akward to explain?

"Throw a paddy" means to have a tantrum, get worked up over nothing, that sort of thing. That you've suggested I'm making some kind of comparison is sraping the barrel really and indicates you're running out of defences. Unlike some on CF, I won't make cheapshot stereotyped comments about someone's nationality (apart from the americans but they deserve it )

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Anyway, I'll save you the bother / indignity by suggesting that we fall back on Ye Olde trustworthy "back on topic" clause - rather than command a factually sensible answer.

I've answered you plenty of times however sadly not the way you want me to as I suspect my replies haven't led me to fall in to any verbal 'traps'. Oh and sorry about the 'back on topic' thing. You've already ackonwledged I'm a mod, or have you forgotten that?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Russ B

I do that, you do that, doesn't everyone?



Yes that's fine, as long as you keep things on-topic.



Quite well thanks. As I said I have the right to complain/comment about someone's bad habits encroaching on my privacy.



"Throw a paddy" means to have a tantrum, get worked up over nothing, that sort of thing. That you've suggested I'm making some kind of comparison is sraping the barrel really and indicates you're running out of defences. Unlike some on CF, I won't make cheapshot stereotyped comments about someone's nationality (apart from the americans but they deserve it )



I've answered you plenty of times however sadly not the way you want me to as I suspect my replies haven't led me to fall in to any verbal 'traps'. Oh and sorry about the 'back on topic' thing. You've already ackonwledged I'm a mod, or have you forgotten that?

So, no change there then.

After reading the last page or 2 of posts on this "off" topic im now craving a ciggie after 17 years without one

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

So, no change there then.

(Sigh)

That's right, my views haven't changed.

Now, with your permission, any chance we can get back on topic now?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Russ B

I do that, you do that, doesn't everyone?

Yes, but not on matters as untangible / unproven as the afterlife - thanks.
(cue complaint about "faith persecution")

Originally Posted by Russ B

Yes that's fine, as long as you keep things on-topic.

As predicted.

Originally Posted by Russ B

Quite well thanks. As I said I have the right to complain/comment about someone's bad habits encroaching on my privacy.

Yes, but I sensed it was a rather voracious attack on those who you decscribed as having an addiction. I was pointing out that not smoking in your immediate environment was evidence that they were complying with the law / considerate of your health.

Originally Posted by Russ B

"Throw a paddy" means to have a tantrum, get worked up over nothing, that sort of thing. That you've suggested I'm making some kind of comparison is sraping the barrel really and indicates you're running out of defences.

On the subject of "scraping the barrel" (is this you new favourite phrase) I didn't "suggest" anything, I questioned what you meant - that's your problem Russ, you don't understand the concept of questions / answers - you think everyone has an accusatory agenda - just to trip you up.

"Defences" to what exactly?

Originally Posted by Russ B

Unlike some on CF, I won't make cheapshot stereotyped comments about someone's nationality (apart from the americans but they deserve it )

Nothing to see here, move along.

Originally Posted by Russ B

I've answered you plenty of times however sadly not the way you want me to as I suspect my replies haven't led me to fall in to any verbal 'traps'.

My comment above refers.

Originally Posted by Russ B

Oh and sorry about the 'back on topic' thing. You've already ackonwledged I'm a mod, or have you forgotten that?

Oh the power, the power! Get over yourself Russ. Show a bit of restraint the next time you throw a Paddy when you read something that you mistakenly think is an attack on you. Oh, and try counting to ten before you start to hit the buttons.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

]Yes, but I sensed it was a rather voracious attack on those who you decscribed as having an addiction. I was pointing out that not smoking in your immediate environment was evidence that they were complying with the law / considerate of your health.

Well I suggest you go and get your 6th sense re-tuned as it was nothing of the sort.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Oh the power, the power! Get over yourself Russ. Show a bit of restraint the next time you throw a Paddy when you read something that you mistakenly think is an attack on you. Oh, and try counting to ten before you start to hit the buttons.

And I suggest you show a bit of restraint and 'count to 10' as well - it's nothing to do with 'power' - sounds like you're the one reading in 'attack' in to someone's comments - I'm just reminding you that it's part of being a mod to try and keep things on topic - that is why I have repeatedly asked you to do so.

I know 100% it's not an attack on me - but you continue to ignore my requests.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Well I suggest you go and get your 6th sense re-tuned as it was nothing of the sort.



And I suggest you show a bit of restraint and 'count to 10' as well - it's nothing to do with 'power' - sounds like you're the one reading in 'attack' in to someone's comments - I'm just reminding you that it's part of being a mod to try and keep things on topic - that is why I have repeatedly asked you to do so.

I know 100% it's not an attack on me - but you continue to ignore my requests.

6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

Russ I think you'll find it's you who dragged things back off topic and insisted in engaging me by implying that I was baiting you.

I had no intention of discussing your faith or taking the subject matter off topic.

My closing comments in post #1425 were as follows.

"Let's not get hung up on your "faith" perseution complex. I stated it was a bizarre interpretation of one of the tenets of your faith and that is exactly what it is - I'm not about to get into a theological debate over a display of your own contradictiory ignorance, sorry.

Lets move on and stick to the subject at hand."

So please, let's move on. Thanks.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

Russ I think you'll find it's you who dragged things back off topic and insisted in engaging me by implying that I was baiting you.

I had no intention of discussing your faith or taking the subject matter off topic.

My closing comments in post #1425 were as follows.

"Let's not get hung up on your "faith" perseution complex. I stated it was a bizarre interpretation of one of the tenets of your faith and that is exactly what it is - I'm not about to get into a theological debate over a display of your own contradictiory ignorance, sorry.

Lets move on and stick to the subject at hand."

So please, let's move on. Thanks.

Ok. Just as long as we can acknowledge that although you did say all the above, you contradicted yourself about wanting to 'move on and stick to the subject at hand' by asking in post 1435..

I'm quite prepared to take your word on that. So what's your experience of the afterlife then?

I'm quite prepared to get back on topic however you don't seem to want to, as you went back to that subject uneccessarily. But in your above post you've stated you want to stay on-topic.

Good, I'm glad. Just as long you stand by your word this time.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Ok. Just as long as we can acknowledge that although you did say all the above, you contradicted yourself about wanting to 'move on and stick to the subject at hand' by asking in post 1435..



I'm quite prepared to get back on topic however you don't seem to want to, as you went back to that subject uneccessarily. But in your above post you've stated you want to stay on-topic.

Good, I'm glad. Just as long you stand by your word this time.

I was "down the pub" last night and these guys were chatting.

One of them, lets call him #1425, asked not to discuss religion but the other, I think his name was #1427, insisted in raising it and this resulted in a third party, #1435 getting involved.

There was a bit of a melee and the bouncers were called in - turns out #1427 knew all the bouncers and worked as one himself. He was a bit deft with the old grappling.

I can tell you, it was all a bit hairy for a while, but they all counted to ten and it got sorted out.

All in all it was a splendid evening - I do miss the old character of the smoke filled bar though. I think not being allowed to smoke in bars is a good thing.

What does everyone else think?

[dilli-theclaw]

Can we all return to the topic NOW please.

Jefferspn T

[Mr Angry]

I hope whatever no smoking legislation you guys implement is better thought out than that which was initially drafted here in Northern Ireland.

The "law" as it stands over here is full of holes. There are reams of contradictions and unenforcable caveats.

I believe that the smoking ban was well intentioned but badly put together (by non smokers actually). We have ridiculous scenarios over here in the current legislation where it's technically "illegal" to smoke at a bus stop and home visit employees (community care, meals on wheels, locum doctors etc etc) are unable to do their job if they are asked to visit a smoker at their home.

Ok bus stops can be enclosed. Its to late for me ive been massively overweight ive taken hordes of various drugs and abused my body for a large amount of my life so im screwed. My 10 year old daughter however hasnt and isnt and I do not want her exposed to the very real dangers of passive smoking. You as a very strong advocate of human rights must concede that if me and you were in the same room one of us would have their rights infringed by the other ie you wanting to smoke me wanting you not to so who desides whos rights take priority? the one who knows the dangers but accepts them or the the one who wants to protect his/her health. The second part of what you said I agree is stupid