smoking and the pub - Page 94

r00t · 24-05-2007, 00:59

SMHarman · 24-05-2007, 19:49

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Originally Posted by andygrif

Why don't we ban drinking in pubs too whilst we're at it? Oh and bungee jumping too?

Can adults really not make up their own minds whether to go to (or work in) a pub where people smoke?

Perhaps we should let people drive with cellphones in their hands. No need for seatbelts either, or speed limits or MOT tests, can't adults make up their own mind as to what is safe?

Smoking and passive smoking have been shown to cause cancer, not just a casual link just like wearing a seatbelt has been shown to save lives. A government has a responsibility to try and effect that change on a nation.

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Originally Posted by Gavin

It isn't. How many cigarettes give you cancer? Some people smoke 1 a day and get lung cancer at 40, some smoker 40+ and live to they are 90. How is that quantiable?

If its quantifable, then how many cigarettes will give you cancer? How much passive smoking will give you cancer? Noone can possibly say

And whats to say that a smoker who gets lung cancer is directly due to smoking? Smoking is a contributary cause, but its not the only cause. It can be coincidence.

What can be said is there is an almost mathamatically impossible positive corrolation between smoking and lung cancer. That cannot be ignored.

Any statistics bell curve. Your 1 and cancer at 40 and your 40 / 90 are extremes that are statistically discounted from the population. There are exceptions to most rules and generalisations.

Mr Angry · 25-05-2007, 00:40

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

Perhaps we should let people drive with cellphones in their hands. No need for seatbelts either, or speed limits or MOT tests, can't adults make up their own mind as to what is safe?

The difference in the analogies being, of course, that andygrif mooted his analogy on the basis that people were totally aware of the environment and risk involved in a mutually acceptable confluence.

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

Smoking and passive smoking have been shown to cause cancer, not just a casual link just like wearing a seatbelt has been shown to save lives. A government has a responsibility to try and effect that change on a nation.

As indeed have oral sex and exposure to sunlight - Have either of those been banned?

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

What can be said is there is an almost mathamatically impossible positive corrolation between smoking and lung cancer. That cannot be ignored.

Whilst it "cannot be ignored" it can be irrelevant in the greater scheme of things.

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

Any statistics bell curve. Your 1 and cancer at 40 and your 40 / 90 are extremes that are statistically discounted from the population.

Not so. Lung cancer is the second biggest cancer form in the UK - the biggest being breast cancer. Take the population by gender per head and subtract the non smokers and you'll find that having t*ts or being a "lady" are a bigger risk than passive smoking.

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

There are exceptions to most rules and generalisations.

Yes, I think I've pointed that out above.

**Hugh** · 25-05-2007, 09:10

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

...snip....
As indeed have oral sex and exposure to sunlight - Have either of those been banned?

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They have in our house

(celibate vampires)

SMHarman · 25-05-2007, 15:57

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

As indeed have oral sex and exposure to sunlight - Have either of those been banned?

Not so. Lung cancer is the second biggest cancer form in the UK - the biggest being breast cancer. Take the population by gender per head and subtract the non smokers and you'll find that having t*ts or being a "lady" are a bigger risk than passive smoking.

So in this life you don't want to be an oral sex offering smoking female who spends time outdoors!
I'm sure that our Tone given time would have tried to pass appropriate legislation.

orangebird · 25-05-2007, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

<snip>As indeed have oral sex and exposure to sunlight - Have either of those been banned?

<snip>.

Heaven forbid!!!!! How depressing would that be?!?!

I like having a tan

budwieser · 25-05-2007, 17:19

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

So in this life you don't want to be an oral sex offering smoking female who spends time outdoors!
I'm sure that our Tone given time would have tried to pass appropriate legislation.

Where can i find one of them then?

Addresses please on a postcard,don`t lick the stamp.

cookie_365 · 25-05-2007, 19:09

If you smokers want to have the right to blow your stinking, cancer inducing breath over me in the pub, I want the right to go up to you in the pub and urinate over you.

It'd be less disgusting, smell better, and be far far healthier for all of us.

budwieser · 25-05-2007, 19:29

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Originally Posted by cookie_365

If you smokers want to have the right to blow your stinking, cancer inducing breath over me in the pub, I want the right to go up to you in the pub and urinate over you.

It'd be less disgusting, smell better, and be far far healthier for all of us.

Personally, i find the thought of you urinating on me far more disgusting than someone smoking next to me. How do we know you don`t have Hep B or C or AIDS?
Get your priorities right and please keep your personal fetishes to yourself.

25-05-2007, 19:35

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Can't wait to hear his excuse for the smack habit

Shaun · 25-05-2007, 20:33

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Originally Posted by budwieser

Personally, i find the thought of you urinating on me far more disgusting than someone smoking next to me. How do we know you don`t have Hep B or C or AIDS?
Get your priorities right and please keep your personal fetishes to yourself.

Priority's - meet facts. Facts - priority's

!

HIV isn't transmitted through contact with urine

Hepatitis B is not found in sweat, tears, urine, or respiratory secretions

Hepatitis C is very rarely transmitted sexually; it is very difficult to find hepatitis C virus in semen or urine.

If you're worried about Hep anything I'd go for A, but you can get that from eating food prepared by someone with it. Perhaps cookie should offer you a pea of a different sort?

25-05-2007, 20:48

Never go to the pub nowadays (probably an age thing!) but I've recently started smoking again and I'm thoroughly enjoying it!

Mr Angry · 25-05-2007, 20:49

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

They have in our house

(celibate vampires)

Am you living under my stairs by any chance?

Lets move into OB's - sounds like much more fun (she's even been known to wear hotpants!!).

Hom3r · 25-05-2007, 21:39

I'm glad the smoking ban is coming, on the 30th June I start a two week holiday in Great Yarmouth, and it means I can enjoy watching the entertainment on the camp without the need for a gas mask.

Xaccers · 25-05-2007, 22:48

Spare a thought for all the non-smoking bar staff.
They have nicotine withdrawl to look forward to.

It happened in Scotland. Without the passive smoking, the levels of nicotine in non-smoking staff suddenly dropped, leaving them cranky and feeling unwell.
Of course members of staff who smoke carried on smoking and so had no such drop in nicotine.