Madeleine McCann

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

I dont think zingle was the only one thinking that this was a moderator decision. I for one thought it was a moderator decision, rather than a personal view.

Anyway like a few have mentioned I think we all need to chill out and maybe just agree to disagree in our views as to whether the parents are irresponsible or not and whther its right to blame them or not etc etc.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Maybe everyone should take some lemsip and go to bed?

Originally Posted by lsainsbury

Yeah - chill out people....

I feel your frustration!

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Anyway like a few have mentioned I think we all need to chill out and maybe just agree to disagree in our views as to whether the parents are irresponsible or not and whther its right to blame them or not etc etc.

I agree. Nothing is more emotive than missing children, so let's please calm down and not have to close this thread (or worse)

[Xaccers]

Isn't having lost their daughter punishment enough?

Not for all the perfect parents on this forum it seems.

[peanut]

This forum just gets worse, no one can read past posts and understand the seperate context of each post written.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Not for all the perfect parents on this forum it seems.

Is a good example of a response that is totally stupid, It a pointless attack on those with a view that is valid. The mods post a warning to cool things down yet you get comments like above to add fuel to the fire.

Some example you set.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Isn't having lost their daughter punishment enough?

I see yet again no one seems to take any proper notice of what I say. The parents are not reading this forum people voicing there opinions is not going to punish anyone. My motives as ive pointed out in this thread often is to point out the stupidity of the act of leaving infants alone in a locked building its just wrong wrong wrong. And drumming this point into peoples heads could stop this happening again or at the least maybe help protect others. Is this point wasted here or not cuz a hell of a lot of you are totally missing it.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I see yet again no one seems to take any proper notice of what I say. The parents are not reading this forum people voicing there opinions is not going to punish anyone. My motives as ive pointed out in this thread often is to point out the stupidity of the act of leaving infants alone in a locked building its just wrong wrong wrong. And drumming this point into peoples heads could stop this happening again or at the least maybe help protect others. Is this point wasted here or not cuz a hell of a lot of you are totally missing it.

Have you made any posts calling for them to be punished further?

Originally Posted by Gavin

I agree. Nothing is more emotive than missing children, so let's please calm down and not have to close this thread (or worse)

I dont think ive broken any terms and conditions in this thread. At points ive disagreed with persons who happen to be admin that isnt against the t&c is it? so the worse wouldnt be directed at me would it?

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Have you made any posts calling for them to be punished further?

I dont recall I might have but I have pointed out british law and made posts trying to back my point up that its wrong but as I say I dont think ive broken any rules

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I dont recall I might have but I have pointed out british law and made posts trying to back my point up that im wrong but as I say I dont think ive broken any rules

I don't recall you suggesting they should be punished either, which is why I asked, because you responded to my comment in a way as if I was suggesting you personally had called for them to face criminal charges.

No sorry misunderstanding

I feel ive expressed my view in a balanced way and ive outlinded my reasons for why im expressing my view and I feel ive been no less compassionate than anyone else only im voicing my view to maybe stop this happening again instead of thinking poor parents lets not upset them (who will prob never come here) And I have also took umbrage to how ive been responded to with aggression from some who should lead by example . Im not happy at all as you can see. I know I dont matter and the team do a good job but im (insert obvious word) off

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Isn't having lost their daughter punishment enough?

I'm on of the posters who have said that they should have some blame apportioned to them for leaving their kids in the manner in which they did. I have also pointed out that it is likely that there could have been other circumstances where parents would be punished or have their kids taken into care if something less fortunate had happened to their children whilst they had left them alone.
I don't think any punishment they receive will be worse than that of losing a daughter, but I do feel that there is a case of negligence to answer for. We could always ask, "Did Maddie 'deserve' to be left alone in a room all alone?" It's quite clear that this has made it easier for her to be abducted.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Not for all the perfect parents on this forum it seems.

No one is perfect, and I for one am far from a perfect parent. The think is you do not have to be perfect to see how stupid and irresponsible it is to leave a 3 year old alone in a house without any adult supervision.

Also I agree with another poster that thats a pretty stupid comment to make.

[punky]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I dont think ive broken any terms and conditions in this thread. At points ive disagreed with persons who happen to be admin that isnt against the t&c is it? so the worse wouldnt be directed at me would it?

My (very gentle) warning wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Noone has broken any T&Cs as such, which is why no action was taken. However, as I quoted, it wasn't just me who noticed tempers were rising, so I just wanted everyone to take a deep breath, calm down, so the thread doesn't spiral out of control like many others have done before it.

[Xaccers]

I think this case has shown people that no matter what you think is safe, there are dangers everywhere and children should not be left alone when they are too young to look after themselves.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I think this case has shown people that no matter what you think is safe, there are dangers everywhere and children should not be left alone when they are too young to look after themselves.

I do not know anyone personally that would think leaving 3 very young children alone in a locked building is safe in the first place. What this case shows me is even educated people can act totally out of selfishness and because of that be very very very irresponsible indeed

[punky]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Not for all the perfect parents on this forum it seems.

That's not it though. Its not about being a perfect parent. Its about being an adult.

Part of being an adult is facing up to your responsibilities and consequences of your actions. Everyone has to face their responsibilities. Its not just a witchhunt from so-called armchair perfect parents.

The grandmother who killed her grandchild through her own negligence has to face her actions, regardless of the fact she is greiving and has it on her conscience that she is responsible for the death of her grandchild. We can't let everyone free from responsibility because they are grieving. With circumstances like this though, I don't think there will ever be a good time to approach this though, but it will have to be approached sooner or later.