Madeleine McCann

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Mick

<snip> what a ridiculous and outright stupid thing to say.

Why is it Mick? Do you think this would've happened if they hadn't left the children alone?

Originally Posted by orangebird

Why is it Mick? Do you think this would've happened if they hadn't left the children alone?

If?, if and more if's - its irrelevant. - There is no point discussing, if, why and when, it is too late.

We can all go through life talking about how something could of been different, if we had done something different. We cannot alter the past, as much as we want to, so its irrelevant in the current climate. Maddie needs to be found and I hope she is soon. But all this blaming the parents, 'Send them to jail', is just plain wrong.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Mick

Kindly stop shouting at me please, I am not DEAF.

Stop throwing the same old tedious and highly insensitive argument across about what I or others would do in similar circumstances, we know what we wouldn't do but its too late to start going over what you or I would do. In the current climate, its very much irrelevant. Maddie is missing, the parents are going through hell and no they certainly do not deserve this, what a ridiculous and outright stupid thing to say.

If Maddie had not been abducted but had fallen down some stairs and broke her leg, would you feel the same?

I also disagree with what you say about things being irrelevant. It is totally relevant to her being abducted. If she was not alone it is very very likely that she would not have been abducted.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Mick

If?, if and more if's - its irrelevant. - There is no point discussing, if, why and when, it is too late.

We can all go through life talking about how something could of been different, if we had done something different. We cannot alter the past, as much as we want to, so its irrelevant in the current climate. Maddie needs to be found and I hope she is soon. But all this blaming the parents, 'Send them to jail', is just plain wrong.

Don't answer my question then.

It's not 'ridiculous' or 'stupid' to have an opinion on the events that led to Madeleines abduction.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

I cant believe that people are saying its wrong to blame the parents for anything because MAddie has been abducted. That we are being insenstitive etc etc.
To say there is no point discussing it now that its happened is wrong too, in my opinion. If you sweep this all under the carpet more parents will feel its ok to act in the same manner. I think people have a duty to express the irresponsibility displayed by these parents.

Originally Posted by danielf

Nothing there about that being your personal opinion. I find it quite easy to see how that could be interpreted as an order or admin decision.

That post was way before the full debate swang into full action, I had entered the thread appalled at some people's insensitive attitudes and over the top judgemental views, so I had said that in the beginning but as the course of the thread went on, I had entered the debate (so couldn't really start gagging anyone) and once I had entered the debate, noone really took any notice of my initial post anyway.

Originally Posted by orangebird

Don't answer my question then.

There is no bloody point in answering your question and kindly don't take that tone with me.

Originally Posted by orangebird

It's not 'ridiculous' or 'stupid' to have an opinion on the events that led to Madeleines abduction.

Yes they most certainly are, when the opinions and views from some are over judgemental and insensitive.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

If Maddie....

Oh look, another couple of *if this, if that*. Irrelevant!

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I also disagree with what you say about things being irrelevant. It is totally relevant to her being abducted. If she was not alone it is very very likely that she would not have been abducted.

Too late to start discussing *If* she was not alone.

To be blunt and subtle as a brick...(sorry) - I doubt she'll be given up by the person /s who have her (if they still do).

Her face has been all over the papers, TV and media in general in the UK, Protugal, Europe and possibly around the world. This has the potential for somebody to recognise her and get her back if she where seen in public.

As I said before - I think it's only a matter of time before we hear the worst news possible. Sorry - that's what I think.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes they most certainly are, when the opinions and views from some are over judgemental and insensitive.

How is anyone criticising parents who leave 3 under 4s alone in an apartment being over judgemental.

Frankly I am sick and tired of people saying that its wrong to criticise the parents. I've seen people on the news saying that Maddie could have been snatched from a garden while her parents were 5 feet away. I'm sick and tired of peopel saying that you could leave your kid in the bath alone for 2 mins and they could end up drowned, and this could have happened to anyone.

The FACT is that Maddie and her brothers were left alone in an aprtment at night. The FACTs are that these kids are under 5 years old. The FACTs are that their parents were enjoying a meal some 50 or so yards away. What is not established as a FACT is how long they were checking up on their kids. Some reports say 30 mins, a police witness report, I think, says 1 hour.

The FACT is that Maddie got snatched from a house where she and her brothers were alone in.

And you know what, I don't care how insensitive I am in saying it, but Maddies parents do have to take a lot of blame for leaving their children in such a vunreble position.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Too late to start discussing *If* she was not alone.

Ok, then I will put it like this... She was not alone, she was snatched, and in my opinion her parents are to blame for her being alone. Insensitive, maybe, FACT, definately.

Does it serve them right? NO

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

How is anyone criticising parents who leave 3 under 4s alone in an apartment being over judgemental.

Frankly I am sick and tired of people saying that its wrong to criticise the parents. I've seen people on the news saying that Maddie could have been snatched from a garden while her parents were 5 feet away. I'm sick and tired of peopel saying that you could leave your kid in the bath alone for 2 mins and they could end up drowned, and this could have happened to anyone.

You're sick and tired. I am sick and tired, so what gives?

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Mick

That post was way before the full debate swang into full action, I had entered the thread appalled at some people's insensitive attitudes and over the top judgemental views, so I had said that in the beginning but as the course of the thread went on, I had entered the debate (so couldn't really start gagging anyone) and once I had entered the debate, noone really took any notice of my initial post anyway.



There is no bloody point in answering your question and kindly don't take that tone with me.



Yes they most certainly are, when the opinions and views from some are over judgemental and insensitive.



Oh look, another couple of *if this, if that*. Irrelevant!



Too late to start discussing *If* she was not alone.

Practice what you preach then and stop being so ruddy judgemental and oversensitive of other peoples opinions!

[Xaccers]

Maybe everyone should take some lemsip and go to bed?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Maybe everyone should take some lemsip and go to bed?

Yeah - chill out people....

I feel your frustration!

[Locky]

Originally Posted by Mick

Kindly stop shouting at me please, I am not DEAF.

Stop throwing the same old tedious and highly insensitive argument across about what I or others would do in similar circumstances, we know what we wouldn't do but its too late to start going over what you or I would do. In the current climate, its very much irrelevant. Maddie is missing, the parents are going through hell and no they certainly do not deserve this, what a ridiculous and outright stupid thing to say.

did i say they deserved it ? u think i am glad that she has been taken ? a 4 year old girl.. what i said they deserve is prosecution, to be honest it has been over 2 weeks now, i think she is probably dead altho it is a little early to give up when this is not so much in the public eye, the parents should be brought before a judge

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Locky

did i say they deserved it ? u think i am glad that she has been taken ? a 4 year old girl.. what i said they deserve is prosecution, to be honest it has been over 2 weeks now, i think she is probably dead altho it is a little early to give up when this is not so much in the public eye, the parents should be brought before a judge

Its not often I agree with you, but in this case I do. The parents do deserve to be prosecuted, wether they will or wont is something else. The fact that their daughter might be dead should not excuse them for their stupidity in the first place.

Originally Posted by Mick

No you haven't been blocked at all, what was said when this thread kicked off, was that IMO, it was certainly out of order (This is an expression of my view as a person, not an ADMIN and that is the total difference here) that some people were too quick be judge, jury and the executioner, without actually knowing all the facts at the time. Some people were just reacting on a 'whim' to the media reports.

A lot of blame, rather than compassion and much needed sensitivity, was and still is, it seems, being put on Maddies parents. Talk about kicking someone, when they are already down.

your acting like they know what we are saying . They have to much on there mind to give a toss what anyone here thinks of them. Who is here that needs us to be sensitive too? They aint here so ill have to have bloody long legs to kick them

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Originally Posted by Mick

The arguments about whose to blame will stop right now. I have never read such a pathetic and such judgemental thread before in all my life.

Preying that the girl is safe and returns to the family should come first. Forget blame, it's not going to bring back the girl.

Yes we should all have eyes in the back of head when it comes to having kids and we shouldn't leave them for more than a few minutes, but at the same time, it does not justify the fact that because some young kids might be on their own that some bloody sick and twisted individual then has every right to abduct a child.

There is a group of young kids playing at the bottom of our road right now, no adult with them, does that mean because no adult is about, some idiot can rightfully decide to just take one of them, as they won't get blamed for it, the parents or guardian will?

I'm sure the parents now know they should of been there, they would of been doing a lot of 'If I'd done this' - 'If I had of done that'. It's too late for *if's* the girl has vanished, she needs to be found now and lets hope she is but hey, some here want to kick the parents when they are already down in despair. Show some bloody compassion for crying out loud...

may I point out the opening line of this post yes its not in bold but it clearly says

"The arguments about whose to blame will stop right now. " if that was a personal view why sound like a moderater???

If your not in the role of admin you cant tell us what to do can you?