how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING - Page 20

supercyber · 15-05-2007, 18:51

update: i got 4th call from virgin today about my ispa compalient, just about 30 mins ago,

i got so fedup with them, i calncelled my whole TV serivce with them and downgraded from Talk Anywhere 800

now i just pay Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£39 for talk XL and Brobadband XL.

well i just got so angery, so they lost a high paying customer.

i am thinking about going to Broband L, then i will just pay Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£27/month for BB L and Talk XL, which good coz its just 13.50 a service.

haha VM.

they are gonna loose ppl like me, who pay premium, i was paying Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£100+ for my services.

SMHarman · 15-05-2007, 19:24

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Originally Posted by Magilla

If your provider isn't able to provide the bandwidth that they've sold.

I guess our government and motor manufacturers are not able to provide the road capacity to support all the cars they have sold. Our rail networks ar not able to provide seat capacity for all the tickets they sold. Capacity management occurs everywhere. You are buying a contended resource and this is contention management. Your alternative to buy an uncontended resource.

supercyber · 15-05-2007, 19:32

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

I guess our government and motor manufacturers are not able to provide the road capacity to support all the cars they have sold. Our rail networks ar not able to provide seat capacity for all the tickets they sold. Capacity management occurs everywhere. You are buying a contended resource and this is contention management. Your alternative to buy an uncontended resource.

man what is that, totally bogus, u sure u can compare the service with cars and train?

the government dont sell the cars!!!!!!! but however is VM own network and its service and sales.

dontpannic · 15-05-2007, 19:34

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Originally Posted by pedrohizzo

this is flawed, how can you suggest you are reducing congestion by reducing everyones speed but at the same time offering all the same people the option to drive even faster than they could before?

Oh do me a lemon, thats a perfect example.

I'm just going to wash my hands of this thread now. Flame me all you like for having MY OPINION, but all I know is that I'm happy with the service that VM provide, I'm happy with STM, (according to my summary of some of the replies to this thread) It seems to be reducing the heavy downloaders to tears, which I find funny.

It's good for me, internet is definitely quicker in my area of an evening now, so I'm happy.

supercyber · 15-05-2007, 19:43

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Originally Posted by dontpannic

Oh do me a lemon, thats a perfect example.

I'm just going to wash my hands of this thread now. Flame me all you like for having MY OPINION, but all I know is that I'm happy with the service that VM provide, I'm happy with STM, (according to my summary of some of the replies to this thread) It seems to be reducing the heavy downloaders to tears, which I find funny.

It's good for me, internet is definitely quicker in my area of an evening now, so I'm happy.

yes u be happy with ur 20MB surfing we pages, just wondering exactly y would u need 20MB to read emails and surf web, or hell even play games online. even tv streams dont need more than 8mbit connection.

virgin offer 20mb coz they know downloaders will come to them, now they cant handle us, they wanna spped manage.

dontpannic · 15-05-2007, 19:49

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Originally Posted by supercyber

yes u be happy with ur 20MB surfing we pages, just wondering exactly y would u need 20MB to read emails and surf web, or hell even play games online. even tv streams dont need more than 8mbit connection.

virgin offer 20mb coz they know downloaders of warz will come to them, now they cant handle us, they wanna spped manage.

So you're admitting you are leeching illegal downloads on Virgin's broadband service? No wonder you're complaining about STM.

I am a heavy user, I play online games, I've got 5 PC's almost constantly using the net and haven't been managed yet.

It's down to people like you that VM introduced STM in the first place. You deserve to be reported to VM for downloading illegal material. I really don't like people like you...

EDIT: Just re-read your post... VIRGIN OFFER 20MB TO DOWNLOAD WAREZ? What the hell are you on? Virgin offer 20mb to download videos/LEGAL software and music! Not for YOU to THEIVE software developers and film industry products. Get off this forum and the VM network...

supercyber · 15-05-2007, 19:53

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Originally Posted by dontpannic

So you're admitting you are leeching illegal downloads on Virgin's broadband service? No wonder you're complaining about STM.

I am a heavy user, I play online games, I've got 5 PC's almost constantly using the net and haven't been managed yet.

It's down to people like you that VM introduced STM in the first place. You deserve to be reported to VM for downloading illegal material. I really don't like people like you...

EDIT: Just re-read your post... VIRGIN OFFER 20MB TO DOWNLOAD WAREZ? What the hell are you on? Virgin offer 20mb to download videos/LEGAL software and music! Not for YOU to THEIVE software developers and film industry products. Get off this forum and the VM network...

exacly y do u need 20mbit even if u have 5pcs.

cool down mannn!!

dontpannic · 15-05-2007, 19:56

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Originally Posted by supercyber

exacly y do u need 20mbit even if u have 5pcs.

Because its there. I have 5 people in this household, I download quite a bit. Why should I have to justify my choice of broadband to someone?

supercyber · 15-05-2007, 19:57

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Originally Posted by dontpannic

Because its there. I have 5 people in this household, I download quite a bit. Why should I have to justify my choice of broadband to someone?

exactly, u dont need to justify ur choice, then dont tell other ppl how to use thir service. take ur own advice.

dontpannic · 15-05-2007, 20:00

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Originally Posted by supercyber

exactly, u dont need to justify ur choice, then dont tell other ppl how to use thir service. take ur own advice.

All I know is that I and I'm sure 95% of this forum use thier broadband connections for what they are designed for, not downloading terabytes of illegal content!

Anyway I'm sure that I read in my contract about not using it for illegal downloads?!

supercyber · 15-05-2007, 20:02

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Originally Posted by dontpannic

All I know is that I and I'm sure 95% of this forum use thier broadband connections for what they are designed for, not downloading terabytes of illegal content!

Anyway I'm sure that I read in my contract about not using it for illegal downloads?!

if virgin have a problem with me using thier serivce, i am sure we let them worry about it.

just to let u know 2/3 of interent traffic is P2p, isps will go bust if thye have problems with people downloading.

dontpannic · 15-05-2007, 20:05

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Originally Posted by supercyber

if virgin have a problem with me using thier serivce, i am sure we let them worry about it.

just to let u know 2/3 of interent traffic is P2p, isps will go bust if thye have problems with people downloading.

OK, have you got proof of that? And do you have proof that everyone who downloads from P2P downloads illegal material?

And can you tell me how when WinMX was closed down, along with Morpheus and Kazaa, why ISP's didn't go bust then?

Infact don't worry about it, don't waste your "precious" bandwidth finding out. I am just going to walk away. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else uses their connection for. And don't patronise me. I know a lot more than you think.

supercyber · 15-05-2007, 20:08

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Originally Posted by dontpannic

OK, have you got proof of that? And do you have proof that everyone who downloads from P2P downloads illegal material?

And can you tell me how when WinMX was closed down, along with Morpheus and Kazaa, why ISP's didn't go bust then?

Infact don't worry about it, don't waste your "precious" bandwidth finding out. I am just going to walk away. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else uses their connection for. And don't patronise me. I know a lot more than you think.

ohh alright u kmnow waht lets stop this, u clearly dont know p2p is i guess.

i guees ur happy with what u do with ur connection. i am pretty happy with what i do with my connection.

well for someone who use thier connection legally, u sure know lot of p2p netowks

i give u that.

so lets leave it there

when i ment 2/3 p2p traffic, the traffic is generated by bitTorrent alone

dontpannic · 15-05-2007, 20:09

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Originally Posted by supercyber

ohh alright u kmnow waht lets stop this, u clearling dont know p2p is i guess.

i guees ur happy with what u do with ur connection. i am pretty happy with what i do with my connection.

so lets leave it there

Deal, but as I said previously don't patronise me. I know exactly what P2P is and the technologies behind it.

helmutcheese · 15-05-2007, 21:19

1) We ARE limited no matter what anyone inc the Mod says, the fact is if I drive on the M1 and am made to leave it after 5miles cause of roadworks then
I'm limited on my use of the M1, in the same sense as if I can use the M1 from start to finish but there is a speed restriction of 50MPH, its still a limit imposed on me.

2) This constant figure of 5% of high users its crap, there is a report on this forum or the other big forum showing the bottom/middle/high end users, the high end are approx 5% and do not take up the whole system, the middle average "Joe 6 Pack" user consumes most of the networks traffic, and at the end of the day the high end users had the same habits while we were on 512K, then 1meg, then 2meg, then 3meg, then 4meg and then 10meg while it was good for a period of time before NTL merger with TW-BY (takeover IMO).

You have your ISP to blame for takiing on more and more custmers in areas that were at limit of users for the design of the network, now most if not all UBR's are oversubscribed, a expression you didnt hear till recently and you can also read on these forums about how they dont dig deep and speed the profits on upgrading the network, they run it with a bare minium of a budget. (think it was yesterdays news)