how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING

[Sirpingalot]

Originally Posted by dev

please show me where you pay for a 2/4/10(20)mb dedicated line off virgin?

when you buy that mondeo, you buy it all for you, you internet connection isnt only for you

Erm. Yes it is, that's why you is the key word. Agreed, the network is shared, but you're entitled to however much you pay for.

Originally Posted by alferret

I wouldnt know what its like to use the PC during the day mate, im out signing on and working on the side taking money from you, you hard working taxpayer you LOLOLOLOLOL



And I pay for a service too and why should my service be compromised because some leech down the road wants to download 24\7?


Oh and its not a "CAP" your sevice doesnt just stop, you get limited, but I guess you dont get the difference

I do get the difference, but capping my connection in half affects my service from joost and any other online streaming services, thats called limiting my service.

Im glad i at least have the self respect to get up and go to work everyday to provide for me and my family, makes me more of a man than most of the idiotic lazy people in the UK.

Your right, your connection shouldnt be compromised, but listen here, if VM cannot people actually using what their connections are paid for, they shouldnt keep putting more people onto oversubscribed UBRS should they.

They should spend money on upgrading the network to handle it.

You dont seem very bright do you, so your mad at people actually using their connection to the potential it's made for when you really should be complaining to VM for not upgrading their network to handle things.

[dev]

Originally Posted by Sirpingalot

Erm. Yes it is, that's why you is the key word. Agreed, the network is shared, but you're entitled to however much you pay for.

and what do you pay for? a dedicated 10mb line? NO! a shared (with a lot of people) 10mb line? YES!

what you're "entitled to":

20mb/20 people = 1mb
10mb/20 people = 512kbps
4mb/20 people = 200kbps
2mb/20 people = 100kbps

once people start getting that fact into their heads they'll start understanding that NO ISP will give the advertised speed as a guarantee unless you pay a high 3 figured sum per month with an actual service level agreement

[alferret]

Originally Posted by TraxData

I do get the difference, but capping my connection in half affects my service from joost and any other online streaming services, thats called limiting my service.

(1)Im glad i at least have the self respect to get up and go to work everyday to provide for me and my family, makes me more of a man than most of the idiotic lazy people in the UK.

Your right, your connection shouldnt be compromised, but listen here, if VM cannot people actually using what their connections are paid for, they shouldnt keep putting more people onto oversubscribed UBRS should they.

They should spend money on upgrading the network to handle it.

(2)You dont seem very bright do you, so your mad at people actually using their connection to the potential it's made for when you really should be complaining to VM for not upgrading their network to handle things.

1, Good for you mate You can continue to pay for my nice comfortable lifestyle
2, Your right im not very bright, but heyho I dont go crying about being traffic shapped, it takes an intelligent person to do that.

[welwynrose]

is there anything actually worth watching on Joost

[alferret]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

is there anything actually worth watching on Joost

Nah, its all rubbish, wouldnt want to spend my spare time watching that, I can save bandwith and watch Living

[cookster]

Originally Posted by supercyber

what do think guys, should we give it to them. come on we all came to Cabel coz its ment to be a no nonsense service compared to ADSL. now it seems VM is going with the shaping tricks for overselling thire service.

from what i read 2mbit connection will have 350MBytes limit - my god that just 45min tv ep u all know what i mean.

4Mbit - 750MBytes limit, well thats just two tv eps (again u all kno waht i mean )

i feel worse for the 20Mbit ppl, 3GB limit lol, can out done in less than 15 mins or so.

now wait adsl seems much better choice.

any ideas on how to shout at them?

Pity there isn't an age limit for forums. I'm sick of all these kids with their childish posts!!! and this is the second one within days!!

[Merlin99uk]

Originally Posted by alferret

Doesnt it seem to others and not just ME that those that bitch, whinge and cry about being shapped are the ones who are more likely to download illegal content, stolen software, copyrighted films and TV shows that they shouldnt have on their PC's in the first place.

Ever heard of .. 4oD, sky anytime ???. To name just two. It's normal nowadays for people to have copyrighted films and tv series via the net! Completely legal too !!

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I won't even mention the hundreds of iPod clip sites..... oh wait, I just did

Originally Posted by skirkby

and another thing as ive said before it is unlimited downloads, its the damn flaming speed that isnt unlimited, get them right

Precisely...

[welwynrose]

Originally Posted by Merlin99uk

Ever heard of .. 4oD, sky anytime ???. To name just two. It's normal nowadays for people to have copyrighted films and tv series via the net! Completely legal too !!

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I won't even mention the hundreds of iPod clip sites..... oh wait, I just

did

but how many people want to sit in front of their pc's watching a tv programme why not just use VM's VOD service

[Merlin99uk]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

but how many people want to sit in front of their pc's watching a tv programme why not just use VM's VOD service

Because some of us prefer Sky, isn't it a case of personal choice ?

[welwynrose]

Originally Posted by Merlin99uk

Because some of us prefer Sky, isn't it a case of personal choice ?

yes it is but I am just suprised when people say they watch tv on their pc's

[dav]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

yes it is but I am just suprised when people say they watch tv on their pc's

We watch TV episodes on the 15" w/s lappy. If it is placed nearer to the sofa than the 32"TV then the effective screen size is exactly the same. Often the mpeg compression artifacting on a downloaded file compares very well with what you sometimes see through a VM STB.

The other option of course is to connect your PC to the nice large LCD panel you may have as a TV these days. Convergence, unlike garlic bread, is definately the future

[Merlin99uk]

Why not, I have a nice widescreen monitor, I watch my stuff on the pc, wife watches hers on tv in the living room.... no problem, just like VM customers having more than one box!

It worked well, until now....

[Stuart]

Guys this thread is about starting a campaign to get vm to reconsider shaping. Can we stick to that subject, and discuss general traffic shaping in one of the other shaping threads?