how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING

[supercyber]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

why don't you get your work to provide you with the right tools to do the job then - here we have a 2mb leased line & our typist who works from home has been provided with a 1mb leased line which means she has no problems sending or receiving stuff

dont be daft, not every work place can afford leased lines, i hope u know how much they cost, specially if ur a small business.

[welwynrose]

Originally Posted by supercyber

dont be daft, not every work place can afford leased lines, i hope u know how much they cost, specially if ur a small business.

yes I do know how much they cost I pay the bills - I often have to explain he difference between a leased line & residential broadband to people here when they ask why we only have 2mb when they have 10mb at home

[Merlin99uk]

Hi Zing,

Well some of us do understand the need for shaping, but you have to agree that Virgin are shooting themselves in the foot here.

It's blatantly obvious that the network is struggling, just look at the threads with people having problems (myself included) speeds have been atrocious over the past days.

We've been suffering speeds of down to around 200kb/s, some even lower, and this can't be the shaping, as that is only supposed to halve our speed. These speeds are happening from around 11 am, way outside the shaping hours.

There are without doubt many users who, due to work/family/whatever commitments are unable to surf during non-shaped hours.

Suggestions of downloading overnight, well that just costs more electricity for the user, and in this global warming world, shouldn't we be trying to save electricity?

Virgin should stop the ads in the Media claiming to be "Broadband without limits", this is clearly no longer the case. There are limits now, limited speeds when exceeding certain download amounts.

The limits imposed, 350Mb, 750Mb and 3Gb, well they are just plain stupid limits, you know yourself how big media clips, webisodes, film trailers, game updates etc, can be.

I know the idea is to stop the leechers, and I'm be for that, but the way they are trying to do it, isn't going to work, and we normal surfers are suffering badly from the network not coping. There is simply too much high size content on the net nowadays for these newly imposed caps to be realistic.

Ok admittedly, most won't be downloading that every day, but my point is shouldn't they get the network sorted by other means before limiting us with shaping, just to claim they have a 20Mb line? That is so obviously a marketing strategy.

As for the top 5% of downloaders who will be shaped, will they be notified ?

The T&C's say that users will be notified of changes. Did anyone get an email with the changes ? Just putting the changes on the site and hoping everyone will read them, that is not "notifying" to me.

It isn't that hard for a company like Virgin to mass email all users with the new T&C's, at least then they could honestly say that they have notified all users.

Those are just a few points that I think are valid.

[US.M@JORHAZZARD]

Why can't you bloody shaper whiners just bugger of.

If you don't like the service then BLOODY!!! LEAVE

sorry for the out burst ppl but the whiners on this board are really beginning to get on my bloody nerves.

I know it's a forum and ppl can and will post there highs and there woes but come on how many threads are there moaning about the update schedule or traffic shaping or how they pay for a service that they ain't getting, YES i am 1 of the lucky 1's that doesn't have any problems with my 10m/b BB service i even get a constant 9.5 on any speed test most of the time day or night so i ain't a whiner..
My only advice to these whiners is leave or downgrade yr service to what you are actually getting i.e if you pay for 10mb and are only getting 5 then ring CS and downgrade to what you are getting untill they sort out the problem IT'S THAT SIMPLE


and to beat you mods to the punch yes IMHO i do think the large red text is needed.. srry

[Superfly Jon]

So your plan is to petition for slower speeds, just so you know for sure it's guaranteed? That's crazy, why not just take the higher speeds and if you get throttled at peak times so what (as that's what you would get guaranteed).

Jon

[supercyber]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

yes I do know how much they cost I pay the bills - I often have to explain he difference between a leased line & residential broadband to people here when they ask why we only have 2mb when they have 10mb at home

soory i didnt mean to rude thier.

but yea businees service or residential serivce, we should all get the serivce advertised, most of all serivce we pay for.

VM sell all thier serivce as NO download Limit, but they implemet a download limit betwwen 4-12, ppl may not see it as limit, but think of like this, 4Mbit/sec u can get maxmium of 14gigs between 4-12pm. but now this is limited to 7gigs. so HOW can they say its unlimited service.

---------- Post added at 09:27 ---------- Previous post was at 09:23 ----------

Originally Posted by US.M@JORHAZZARD

Why can't you bloody shaper whiners just bugger of.

If you don't like the service then BLOODY!!! LEAVE

sorry for the out burst ppl but the whiners on this board are really beginning to get on my bloody nerves.

I know it's a forum and ppl can and will post there highs and there woes but come on how many threads are there moaning about the update schedule or traffic shaping or how they pay for a service that they ain't getting, YES i am 1 of the lucky 1's that doesn't have any problems with my 10m/b BB service i even get a constant 9.5 on any speed test most of the time day or night so i ain't a whiner..
My only advice to these whiners is leave or downgrade yr service to what you are actually getting i.e if you pay for 10mb and are only getting 5 then ring CS and downgrade to what you are getting untill they sort out the problem IT'S THAT SIMPLE


and to beat you mods to the punch yes IMHO i do think the large red text is needed.. srry

lol like i said, thier are ppl like me who does care when we do get shaping, if u not bothered by it, all i ask is keep quite, and let the ppl who do mind get some solutions to our problem. actually i dont have the problem yet, when it does knock on my door i want to be ready.

also u dont seem to understand many ppl are on 12 months contact when this shaping is intrduced, now that have to pay penality ro leave, when all they want is what they pay for. man ur ****ing me offfffffffffffffff. go away lol.

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by Paul

Why don't we start a campaign asking bandwidth abusers to use their connections responsibly instead?

It really comes to something when a man turns against another man for eating all his Mc'D burger he bought, and not save some for him for when he's hungry later

[m044bz00]

Originally Posted by welwynrose

why don't you get your work to provide you with the right tools to do the job then - here we have a 2mb leased line & our typist who works from home has been provided with a 1mb leased line which means she has no problems sending or receiving stuff

I have the choice of travelling to work each day or working from home and working from home suits my family life, I can also be more productive instead of spending 3hrs a day in a car.

The comical thing is that at the moment, even getting less than 1Mbps through a crap service I can still break their limit, does that mean the're then going to throttle UP my connection speed to 5Mbps

[orangebird]

Oh yeah, cos the anticap campaign was a roaring success...

[supercyber]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Oh yeah, cos the anticap campaign was a roaring success...

whattttt?

---------- Post added at 09:41 ---------- Previous post was at 09:36 ----------

Originally Posted by Superfly Jon

So your plan is to petition for slower speeds, just so you know for sure it's guaranteed? That's crazy, why not just take the higher speeds and if you get throttled at peak times so what (as that's what you would get guaranteed).

Jon

not slower speeds, u dont seem to get the concept lol, there is no way VM can offer the 20Mbit service at a decent level, is just look good paper that all.

when u were little u crwled, then u walkled then ran right?

i am just telling VM boffines(so they call it) to bloddy have thier netowrk management right.

[dcclanuk]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I will simply download my nzbs and import them into newsbin off peak and just game and browse and stream the odd stuff on peak which is no different to what I do now

But Zingy for that stuff 3GB is enough.... but 350mb isnt....

[Rik]

Good luck with your campaign!
Youre gonna need it

Im all for this shaping, its a good thing imo.

Very fair on 10MB, im not so sure about the 2/4Meg allowances between 4-12.
I cant see VM changing this tho, so you guys will either have to upgrade your tier or change providers unfortunately, thats the way of the world unfortunately.

But hey have you heard of this thing called downloading outside of those times, and also this wonderful invention called leaving you PC switched on downloading while you are at work!

Its amazing!

You think ADSL is better? My My move to Pipex and then you will see "Real Traffic Shaping" LOL

[prawncocktail]

do you really think any company cares whether you like shaping or not? i dont think so its a need not a want and if it wasnt needed it wouldnt be there, its not like virgin just want to shape everybody because they can or just feel like it...there is an actual need for it


and another thing as ive said before it is unlimited downloads, its the damn flaming speed that isnt unlimited, get them right

yes im sick of all the moaning gits around here about this and a few other things, as other people have said, if you dont like it, LEAVE, it really is that simple and when you leave lets see if you dont find something to moan about that service instead.

[Frankie-Gush]

So going over the 3GB limit you get cut to 5Meg, which surely is more than fast enough for anyone isn't it ?? And it's much better than a Hard Cap & being cut off for the rest of the Peak Period !!

I think it's still 4Meg faster than i'd get on ADSL

There's still 16 hours of the Day to download as much as you want to !!

I say good one for coming forward and telling poeple about these limits, and slowing down the people who leech off Newsgroups and Torrents 24/7

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by Rik

But hey have you heard of this thing called downloading outside of those times, and also this wonderful invention called leaving you PC switched on downloading while you are at work!

Why do some of the pro throttling people have this crazy idea? and of the opinion that this is all that is needed to do to make everyone happy?