Creationism vs Evolution, Equal? - Page 7

**Damien** · 16-04-2007, 00:15

Who cares what people believe, there are a lot worse beliefs than the normal religions. As long as it does no one any harm, whats the harm. Its only when religion trys to move outside itsself to bring more people in by using false logic and trying to claim their views are just as likely as a accepted science.

Incidently Russ, Do you believe in Creationism? If so what do you make of evolution.

Russ · 16-04-2007, 00:24

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Originally Posted by Damien

Incidently Russ, Do you believe in Creationism? If so what do you make of evolution.

I have a view that they can co-exist. Yes I believe we were created by God. And I don't have a problem with the notion that creatures have evolved (I don't agree that humans have done so, or ever will) to a point.

The environment changes and I believe God has adapted situations to fit. First question from you guys would be "if God is all-knowing why does He have to change things?" - my answer is the world has been in decay since the Eden incident (read Genesis to find out why) and the environment is constantly changing as a result and to give everyone a chance, He adapts things.

Another way I look at it is the example of the common household cat. Small, fast, silent, vicious (usually...), nature's perfect hunter. They don't have big cumbersome paws which slow them down, they don't have long heavy tails to throw them off-balance, they are perfectly adapted to hunt and kill. Agaian this is just an example but someone/something created them that way and is in control of them not evolving in to something which compromises their position as a natural hunter.

That someone/something (which obviously in my view is God) has a law in place which makes them stay in that physical form to fulfil their role in nature.

Obviously I don't base my whole view on the example of the cat - that's why it's an example - sorry for stating the obvious but I sense the sharks are circling....(incidentaly, sharks are also perfectly adapted for hunting in their environment...!

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Tezcatlipoca · 16-04-2007, 00:33

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Originally Posted by handyman

No its the law that she wears a seat belt so it's not up to him.

Just like its scientific fact for science lessons and religious talk for RE.

One is FACT one is speculation and IMHO based on zero.

Eh? I know wearing seat belts is required by law.

And I wasn't talking about science lessons & RE - I agree with you that only science should be in science lessons, & religion should stay in RE. I fully accept evolution, & I do not believe in creationism.

I was talking about outside school... If Russ wishes to raise his daughter as a Christian, & so at home teaches her Christian things, then that is his right to do so as her father.

danielf · 16-04-2007, 12:21

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Creationist museum challenges evolution

Errrrm, not read post 1 then?

Ramrod · 16-04-2007, 12:24

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Originally Posted by danielf

Errrrm, not read post 1 then?

Doh!......*goes off to delete his post*

16-04-2007, 12:39

If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
Voltaire
French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778)

TheNorm · 16-04-2007, 13:06

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
October 15, 1844 - August 25, 1900

16-04-2007, 13:45

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
October 15, 1844 - August 25, 1900

To believe in God is impossible not to believe in Him is absurd.
Voltaire

No quotes from the Water Margin please!!....

TheNorm · 16-04-2007, 14:20

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Carl Sagan

TheNorm · 16-04-2007, 14:33

Those who believe absurdities will commit atrocities
Voltaire

**Chris** · 16-04-2007, 14:35

When threads descend into one-liners and wise-cracks, they're not far off getting closed

The Wisdom of Towny

orangebird · 16-04-2007, 14:48

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Originally Posted by Chris T

When threads descend into one-liners and wise-cracks, they're not far off getting closed

The Wisdom of Towny

Good one

16-04-2007, 17:12

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Originally Posted by Damien

Who cares what people believe, there are a lot worse beliefs than the normal religions. As long as it does no one any harm, whats the harm. Its only when religion trys to move outside itsself to bring more people in by using false logic and trying to claim their views are just as likely as a accepted science.

Incidently Russ, Do you believe in Creationism? If so what do you make of evolution.

To be honest I think there are harmful effects to mass religious belief in a society, no matter how moderate, it hinders the progression of science and humanity IMO. However, I do totally believe in anybody's right to believe anything, the most that can be done by anyone else is to debate, present scientific facts and hope for the best.

Russ · 16-04-2007, 17:20

You make it sound like people cannot believe in science and a religious-based belief at the same time.

16-04-2007, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Russ B

You make it sound like people cannot believe in science and a religious-based belief at the same time.

Science and faith are entirely different. I believe you can't fully use both, but you can kinda compartmentalise the brain into choosing faith in certain occasions and science in others. And then there are questions like when to use science and when to use faith, and how do you make these decisions. To be honest using a mixture doesn't offer a secure system of knowledge imo.