Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
15-04-2007, 19:30
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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The difference is that i for one have visited the Bel-son camp and have seen the proof that it did happen.
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Ah yes, but some people would have us believe that they have personally seen 'proof' that their beliefs are equally real.......how are we to distinguish between these versions of reality?
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15-04-2007, 19:31
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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Ah yes, but some people would have us believe that they have personally seen 'proof' that their beliefs are equally real.......how are we to distinguish between these versions of reality?
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Indeed.
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15-04-2007, 21:15
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
Oh just go and read the Science of the Discword 3, it covers it pretty well and is quite amusing.
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15-04-2007, 21:52
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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isnt reality a figment of everyone imagination anyway? aftersall what is real is subject to every individuals perception
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15-04-2007, 21:59
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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Solipsism is a self-fulfilling philosophy, which is impossible to disprove. |
It sounds like there may be a case for it to be taught as an alternative to Evolution then 
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15-04-2007, 22:46
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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It sounds like there may be a case for it to be taught as an alternative to Evolution then |
But not in science classes...... 
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15-04-2007, 22:52
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
So they couldn't force Creationism through the schools so now they have turned to the museums?Well now any respecting school will be avoiding recommending their students visit any museum that tries this one on...  and refusing to take school trips to any such establishments.
So Damien I don't think it's anything to worry about as most students will be exposed to the traditional views of evolution through the school syllabus in the US.
What will be interesting is to see how long this thread lasts.. 150 postings or so I reckon.
BTW Creationism is part of the RS syllabus here in the UK though it's not a major part.It's just presented for discussion.
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15-04-2007, 23:03
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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isnt reality a figment of everyone imagination anyway? aftersall what is real is subject to every individuals perception
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15-04-2007, 23:18
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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But not in science classes...... |
I'm pleased the irony isn't lost on you
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15-04-2007, 23:41
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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Up to a certain age no they don't. My daughter doesn't have a choice about whether or not she has to wear a seatbelt in her car seat. I will make that decision for her as I believe to be in a car without it is dangerous. I also believe that her growing up without Christianity is also dangerous so I will teach her about it as I believe it's in her best interests. When she's old enough to make up her own mind she's free to do as she pleases. Until then she plays by my rules (faith-related or not).
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For once this is not an attack on you Russ, but it's not really your choice at all is it. Its the law of the UK that she has a seat belt
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Although I'm a non-believer, & a scientist, I agree with you 
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No its the law that she wears a seat belt so it's not up to him.
Just like its scientific fact for science lessons and religious talk for RE.
One is FACT one is speculation and IMHO based on zero.
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15-04-2007, 23:42
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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For once this is not an attack on you Russ, but it's not really your choice at all is it. Its the law of the UK that she has a seat belt
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"For once"? You mean all the other occasions have been attacks on me??
No, it is my choice. Just because something is law does not necessarily people will abide by it. Whether it's law to wear a seatbelt, she has one on while she's in a car I'm driving.
Made more simplistic, she doesn't have a choice of whether or not to hold my hand when she crosses the road. I make that decision for her because I consider it dangerous for her to cross the road otherwise.
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15-04-2007, 23:46
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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"For once"? You mean all the other occasions have been attacks on me?? |
I have been slacking of late but then it's hard to attack someone that dresses up and fakes a fight.
And no not attacks but then I belive you and me have exact opposites of opinions so I would really enjoy the oportunity to change your opinion to 'reality' thus freeing you from the expectation that this brief existance of life is going to be extened for you by some belief in a supposed divine ruler.
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15-04-2007, 23:49
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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I have been slacking of late but then it's hard to attack someone that dresses up and fakes a fight.
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Wooooo, get her
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And no not attacks but then I belive you and me have exact opposites of opinions so I would really enjoy the oportunity to change your opinion to 'reality' thus freeing you from the expectation that this brief existance of life is going to be extened for you by some belief in a supposed divine ruler.
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There's about the same chance of that as there is of you coming around to my way of thinking. I'm happy with my beliefs, I'm sure you're happy with yours, neither encroach on the others' existence in that respect so why upset the 'harmony'? 
Unless of course you feel some kind of desire to impose your views on me? I certainly hope not.
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16-04-2007, 00:09
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Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
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Unless of course you feel some kind of desire to impose your views on me? I certainly hope not.
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No real need to impose my views since it is inevitable that religions will become very small cult type operations and their status in modern cultures will be vastly diminished. This will take some time but I would expect it to me no more than 2 more generations befoer it happens.
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16-04-2007, 00:11
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Right, ok. I'm sure we've had this discussion before but in the relevant thread so if you can leave the religion bashing to one side (and by your admission you won't be taking any said opportunities to try and change my mind) for now, that way this thread will stay on topic
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