Muslims to march in London

Originally Posted by Xaccers

What's that got to do with Muslims marching?

Its " got to do " with people being tarred with the same brush.
I dont feel I need to explain any more thankyou

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Its " got to do " with people being tarred with the same brush.
I dont feel I need to explain any more thankyou

Ok, I'll just remain confused by your comments then

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Ok, I'll just remain confused by your comments then

Thats fair enough

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

How did you know?
How do you know that the "majority if muslims" want to destroy the West?

It's just possible he saw some of the peace marches mentioned earlier, it's quite possible that he heard some oratory from Catholic priests, the exact opposite of what we hear from Muslims, if reports are to be believed Ruth Kelly met with Muslim leaders to ask them to do more in helping fight terrorists and extremists and ended up getting a lecture about introducing Sharia law in the UK!

The shocking statistic of 25% of British Muslims having terrorist sympathies, makes me wonder if the figure is actually higher, I wonder if any were to ashamed to admit that they were sympathetic to people who blow up young and old alike. In fact imo the statistics are made worse by the deafening silence of the other 75% of Muslims, I know for a fact I would not tolerate these things happening without speaking out and as I said earlier, some will say 'it's not up to Muslims to speak out', well fine then, who is it up to, I am sure that the BNP would only be to happy to give a view on their behalf

I think I'm invisible...again.

[DABhand]

The main problem is, people who complain about another race are either

1. Ignorant of the facts of said race

2. Believe the hype and propoganda of said race.


With some people here who just spout out the same usual racist comments, without even knowing anything about who they are racist about.

They have been given facts about things, but yet their mind is clouded they still think the same way.

Again locky has perceived all eastern peoples as terrorists and money grabbers, but yet earlier in the thread when I perceived English people as lager louts and hooligans, somehow I was wrong.

This is the typical view that the White man is superior to all. They really need to learn history and politics.

Originally Posted by DABhand

The main problem is, people who complain about another race are either

1. Ignorant of the facts of said race

2. Believe the hype and propoganda of said race.


With some people here who just spout out the same usual racist comments, without even knowing anything about who they are racist about.

They have been given facts about things, but yet their mind is clouded they still think the same way.

Again locky has perceived all eastern peoples as terrorists and money grabbers, but yet earlier in the thread when I perceived English people as lager louts and hooligans, somehow I was wrong.

This is the typical view that the White man is superior to all. They really need to learn history and politics.

Good point, however, are the extremists who want to blow up trains and buses not ignorant of the facts of said race? believe the hype and propaganda of said race?
Life is not always a one way street.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's just possible he saw some of the peace marches mentioned earlier, it's quite possible that he heard some oratory from Catholic priests, the exact opposite of what we hear from Muslims, if reports are to be believed Ruth Kelly met with Muslim leaders to ask them to do more in helping fight terrorists and extremists and ended up getting a lecture about introducing Sharia law in the UK!

The shocking statistic of 25% of British Muslims having terrorist sympathies, makes me wonder if the figure is actually higher, I wonder if any were to ashamed to admit that they were sympathetic to people who blow up young and old alike. In fact imo the statistics are made worse by the deafening silence of the other 75% of Muslims, I know for a fact I would not tolerate these things happening without speaking out and as I said earlier, some will say 'it's not up to Muslims to speak out', well fine then, who is it up to, I am sure that the BNP would only be to happy to give a view on their behalf

A place where I used to work a guy there who I think was a muslim but not sure, was really happy after the twin towers event and kept rubbing it into me been happy etc. I wanted to smack him one but obviously couldnt as I was on work premises, many people around me were disgusted at him tho, was mostly asians, africans and some whites working there and they all didnt agree with him.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Good point, however, are the extremists who want to blow up trains and buses not ignorant of the facts of said race? believe the hype and propaganda of said race?
Life is not always a one way street.

Correct and I have never said otherwise.

Every nation has their blackspots of bad people, but what im saying is there is no point saying everyone of that race is the same as the extremists.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's just possible he saw some of the peace marches mentioned earlier, it's quite possible that he heard some oratory from Catholic priests, the exact opposite of what we hear from Muslims, if reports are to be believed Ruth Kelly met with Muslim leaders to ask them to do more in helping fight terrorists and extremists and ended up getting a lecture about introducing Sharia law in the UK!

The shocking statistic of 25% of British Muslims having terrorist sympathies, makes me wonder if the figure is actually higher, I wonder if any were to ashamed to admit that they were sympathetic to people who blow up young and old alike. In fact imo the statistics are made worse by the deafening silence of the other 75% of Muslims, I know for a fact I would not tolerate these things happening without speaking out and as I said earlier, some will say 'it's not up to Muslims to speak out', well fine then, who is it up to, I am sure that the BNP would only be to happy to give a view on their behalf

There have been many members of the muslim community who have denounced the violence though, just as there were many members of the catholic/irish communities who denounced the violence of the IRA.
Given the support in Ireland for Sinn Fein, and Irish celebrities such as Sinead agreeing with the bombing of British children, the support for the IRA appeared much greater than 25%.
I'm also sure that on many occasions when peace was being sought with the IRA, goverment officials were met with "Eire law in Ulster"
Comparing the two, there was more evidence for Irish support of the IRA bombing the UK than muslim support of islamic extremists bombing the UK.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Comparing the two, there was more evidence for Irish support of the IRA bombing the UK than muslim support of islamic extremists bombing the UK.

How can you possibly compare the two? The IRA have been trying to win a free Ireland for 100 years. They mainly targeted British forces & military establishments. The last "active" campaign continued for 30 years. They had no gripe against the USA, in fact the US assisted them in many ways, especially money.

The Muslim threat hasnt been relevant for anything like that long. Their gripe is against anyone, especially the west, the USA & UK. There hasnt been enough time to make a "British" comparison yet. However, if you compare the damage the "Al-Quaeda" network has done compared to the IRA damage, worldwide, then there is no comparison. Bin lid wins hands down.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by SMG

How can you possibly compare the two? The IRA have been trying to win a free Ireland for 100 years. They mainly targeted British forces & military establishments. The last "active" campaign continued for 30 years. They had no gripe against the USA, in fact the US assisted them in many ways, especially money.

1970s
1971 31 October: A bomb planted by the Provisional IRA explodes in the Post Office Tower in London causing extensive damage but no injuries.[1]
1972 22 February: The Official Irish Republican Army kills seven civilians in the Aldershot bombing.
1973 10 September: The Provisional IRA set off bombs at London's King's Cross Station and Euston Station injuring 21 people.[3]
1974 4 February: Twelve people are killed by the Provisional IRA in the M62 Coach Bombing.
1974 17 June: The Provisional IRA plant a bomb which explodes at the Houses of Parliament, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people
1974 5 October: Guildford pub bombing by the Provisional IRA leaves 5 dead and 44 injured.
1974 22 October: A bomb planted by the Provisional IRA explodes in London injuring 3 people.[5]
1974 21 November: The Birmingham pub bombings, 21 killed and 182 injured by Provisional IRA bombs.
1979 30 March: Airey Neave killed when a car bomb exploded under his car as he drove out of the Palace of Westminster car park. The Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) claimed responsibility for the killing.

1980s
1982 20 July: The Hyde Park and Regents Park bombings in London by the IRA kill eleven members of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets.
1983, 17 December: Harrods was bombed by the IRA. Six are killed (including three police officers) and 90 wounded during Christmas shopping at the West London department store. (See 17 December 1983 Harrods bombing)
1984 12 October: Brighton hotel bombing, 5 killed and several injured in an attempt by the IRA to kill Margaret Thatcher.
1987 8 November: The Remembrance Day Bombing in Enniskillen, Northern Ireland. 11 killed by a IRA bomb which went off during Remembrance Sunday commemorations.
1989 22 September: Deal barracks bombing: Eleven Royal Marines bandsmen are killed and 22 injured when base in Deal, Kent, is bombed by the IRA.

1990s
1990 20 July: The IRA detonate a bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing damage to the building. Nobody was injured in the blast.[7]
1990 30 July: Ian Gow MP killed by a car bomb planted by the IRA while at his home in Sussex.
1991 7 February: The IRA launched a mortar shell into the back garden of 10 Downing Street.
1992 25 August: The IRA plant three fire bombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle. The latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical aritifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded.
1992 3 December: The IRA exploded two bombs in central Manchester, injuring 65 people.[8]
1993 20 March: Warrington bomb attacks. The first attack, on a gasworks, created a huge fireball but no casualties, but the second attack on Bridge Street killed two children and injured many other people. The attacks were conducted by the IRA.
1996 9 February: The IRA bombs the South Quay station, killing two people.
1996 15 June: The Manchester bombing when the IRA detonated a 1500kg bomb which destroyed a shopping centre and injured 206 people.
1998 15 August: The Omagh bombing in Northern Ireland. 29 killed and about 220 injured, by a car bomb attributed to the Real IRA.

Yes, mainly targetted the military, obviously, I'm sure the civilians in the above attacks would agree

Originally Posted by SMG

The Muslim threat hasnt been relevant for anything like that long. Their gripe is against anyone, especially the west, the USA & UK. There hasnt been enough time to make a "British" comparison yet. However, if you compare the damage the "Al-Quaeda" network has done compared to the IRA damage, worldwide, then there is no comparison. Bin lid wins hands down.

Yet people like Locky appear convinced that the majority of Muslims want to bomb the UK, despite the evidence.

[Locky]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

1970s
1971 31 October: A bomb planted by the Provisional IRA explodes in the Post Office Tower in London causing extensive damage but no injuries.[1]
1972 22 February: The Official Irish Republican Army kills seven civilians in the Aldershot bombing.
1973 10 September: The Provisional IRA set off bombs at London's King's Cross Station and Euston Station injuring 21 people.[3]
1974 4 February: Twelve people are killed by the Provisional IRA in the M62 Coach Bombing.
1974 17 June: The Provisional IRA plant a bomb which explodes at the Houses of Parliament, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people
1974 5 October: Guildford pub bombing by the Provisional IRA leaves 5 dead and 44 injured.
1974 22 October: A bomb planted by the Provisional IRA explodes in London injuring 3 people.[5]
1974 21 November: The Birmingham pub bombings, 21 killed and 182 injured by Provisional IRA bombs.
1979 30 March: Airey Neave killed when a car bomb exploded under his car as he drove out of the Palace of Westminster car park. The Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) claimed responsibility for the killing.

1980s
1982 20 July: The Hyde Park and Regents Park bombings in London by the IRA kill eleven members of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets.
1983, 17 December: Harrods was bombed by the IRA. Six are killed (including three police officers) and 90 wounded during Christmas shopping at the West London department store. (See 17 December 1983 Harrods bombing)
1984 12 October: Brighton hotel bombing, 5 killed and several injured in an attempt by the IRA to kill Margaret Thatcher.
1987 8 November: The Remembrance Day Bombing in Enniskillen, Northern Ireland. 11 killed by a IRA bomb which went off during Remembrance Sunday commemorations.
1989 22 September: Deal barracks bombing: Eleven Royal Marines bandsmen are killed and 22 injured when base in Deal, Kent, is bombed by the IRA.

1990s
1990 20 July: The IRA detonate a bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing damage to the building. Nobody was injured in the blast.[7]
1990 30 July: Ian Gow MP killed by a car bomb planted by the IRA while at his home in Sussex.
1991 7 February: The IRA launched a mortar shell into the back garden of 10 Downing Street.
1992 25 August: The IRA plant three fire bombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle. The latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical aritifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded.
1992 3 December: The IRA exploded two bombs in central Manchester, injuring 65 people.[8]
1993 20 March: Warrington bomb attacks. The first attack, on a gasworks, created a huge fireball but no casualties, but the second attack on Bridge Street killed two children and injured many other people. The attacks were conducted by the IRA.
1996 9 February: The IRA bombs the South Quay station, killing two people.
1996 15 June: The Manchester bombing when the IRA detonated a 1500kg bomb which destroyed a shopping centre and injured 206 people.
1998 15 August: The Omagh bombing in Northern Ireland. 29 killed and about 220 injured, by a car bomb attributed to the Real IRA.

Yes, mainly targetted the military, obviously, I'm sure the civilians in the above attacks would agree



Yet people like Locky appear convinced that the majority of Muslims want to bomb the UK, despite the evidence.

i am convinced i live in a area were it is being OVERTAKEN and it shudnt be happening !

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

1970s
1971 31 October: A bomb planted by the Provisional IRA explodes in the Post Office Tower in London causing extensive damage but no injuries.[1]
1972 22 February: The Official Irish Republican Army kills seven civilians in the Aldershot bombing.
1973 10 September: The Provisional IRA set off bombs at London's King's Cross Station and Euston Station injuring 21 people.[3]
1974 4 February: Twelve people are killed by the Provisional IRA in the M62 Coach Bombing.
1974 17 June: The Provisional IRA plant a bomb which explodes at the Houses of Parliament, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people
1974 5 October: Guildford pub bombing by the Provisional IRA leaves 5 dead and 44 injured.
1974 22 October: A bomb planted by the Provisional IRA explodes in London injuring 3 people.[5]
1974 21 November: The Birmingham pub bombings, 21 killed and 182 injured by Provisional IRA bombs.
1979 30 March: Airey Neave killed when a car bomb exploded under his car as he drove out of the Palace of Westminster car park. The Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) claimed responsibility for the killing.

1980s
1982 20 July: The Hyde Park and Regents Park bombings in London by the IRA kill eleven members of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets.
1983, 17 December: Harrods was bombed by the IRA. Six are killed (including three police officers) and 90 wounded during Christmas shopping at the West London department store. (See 17 December 1983 Harrods bombing)
1984 12 October: Brighton hotel bombing, 5 killed and several injured in an attempt by the IRA to kill Margaret Thatcher.
1987 8 November: The Remembrance Day Bombing in Enniskillen, Northern Ireland. 11 killed by a IRA bomb which went off during Remembrance Sunday commemorations.
1989 22 September: Deal barracks bombing: Eleven Royal Marines bandsmen are killed and 22 injured when base in Deal, Kent, is bombed by the IRA.

1990s
1990 20 July: The IRA detonate a bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing damage to the building. Nobody was injured in the blast.[7]
1990 30 July: Ian Gow MP killed by a car bomb planted by the IRA while at his home in Sussex.
1991 7 February: The IRA launched a mortar shell into the back garden of 10 Downing Street.
1992 25 August: The IRA plant three fire bombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle. The latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical aritifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded.
1992 3 December: The IRA exploded two bombs in central Manchester, injuring 65 people.[8]
1993 20 March: Warrington bomb attacks. The first attack, on a gasworks, created a huge fireball but no casualties, but the second attack on Bridge Street killed two children and injured many other people. The attacks were conducted by the IRA.
1996 9 February: The IRA bombs the South Quay station, killing two people.
1996 15 June: The Manchester bombing when the IRA detonated a 1500kg bomb which destroyed a shopping centre and injured 206 people.
1998 15 August: The Omagh bombing in Northern Ireland. 29 killed and about 220 injured, by a car bomb attributed to the Real IRA.

Yes, mainly targetted the military, obviously, I'm sure the civilians in the above attacks would agree

Yet people like Locky appear convinced that the majority of Muslims want to bomb the UK, despite the evidence.

Yes. I remember. I joined the Army in 1970. I was directly present at 2 incidents. The memories never left me. I lost friends in Guildford. "There but for the grace of god, go I". Its a saying I`ve used ever since. Also, in 1976, a place & time you havent mentioned, an attack on an Army camp, which was never publicised. I hate terrorism.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Locky

i am convinced i live in a area were it is being OVERTAKEN and it shudnt be happening !

Why shouldn't it?
In your tiny little part of the Kingdom, why shouldn't there be Asians going about their business?

You've still not answered my question fully, why is it with all the evidence showing that the IRA had huge support, you didn't think the Irish or Catholics wanted to wipe out Britain, but 4 suicide bombers, 20 odd others arrested on terrorist related charges, and you're convinced Muslims want to kill us all.