Who Will Win? Sky or Virgin?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by walfordking

Who wants a ugly sky dish outside their property? If you're in rented property then you can't have sky dish without the landlords permission first. You can have cable thou.

No you can't - you still need their permission.

[CableWhatCable]

Who do I think will win, It should be Virgin but it wont be. My reasoning for this is easy has anybody seen any new cables being laid? I moved on to a new estate 8 years ago expecting to sign up with cable as I didnt want a dish on the front of the house. Phoned up the cable provider Sorry cable not available in your area, strange I said we have manhole covers with your name on it, yes but we not put any cable in, when will you be running cable? No idea nothing planned. Still no cable even though 100 yards away the houses on the main road have cable.

[Horace]

Murdoch owns one of the biggest movie studios and TV companies in the US. He's also willing to oudbid anyone for EPL distribution. So, until the U.K. TV audience tires of American fayre I doubt Murdoch or BSKYB are going anywhere.
Eventually satellite will become a misnomer when IPTV becomes a genuine reality. Who wants to pay the massive amounts to a satellite company for limited capacity when you can have virtually unlimited capacity over a network much more economically. Murdoch has seen this and he knows should his empire continue to prosper under his children he had to get into the broadband game now....which is nice.

Originally Posted by CableWhatCable

Who do I think will win, It should be Virgin but it wont be. My reasoning for this is easy has anybody seen any new cables being laid? I moved on to a new estate 8 years ago expecting to sign up with cable as I didnt want a dish on the front of the house. Phoned up the cable provider Sorry cable not available in your area, strange I said we have manhole covers with your name on it, yes but we not put any cable in, when will you be running cable? No idea nothing planned. Still no cable even though 100 yards away the houses on the main road have cable.

Last year I read an article by NTL stating they would not lay any new cable due to the cost. Wimax would be the answer to service non cable areas. This week the city pundits are putting forward a tie up with Cable & Wireless to provide Virgin Media services to non cabled areas. I don't think we will have to wait long for the answer.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Horace

Murdoch owns one of the biggest movie studios and TV companies in the US. He's also willing to oudbid anyone for EPL distribution. So, until the U.K. TV audience tires of American fayre I doubt Murdoch or BSKYB are going anywhere.
Eventually satellite will become a misnomer when IPTV becomes a genuine reality. Who wants to pay the massive amounts to a satellite company for limited capacity when you can have virtually unlimited capacity over a network much more economically. Murdoch has seen this and he knows should his empire continue to prosper under his children he had to get into the broadband game now....which is nice.

All this talk of iptv etc. tho you will find sattelite coverage is pretty good, whilst their broadband goes over a copper local loop which is only decent on 25% of phone lines the rest noisy and long. I would say they probably fine using sattelite for tv and the reasoning for entering the broadband market was nothing to do with iptv but rather so they could offer bundles, if the ancient copper local loop ever gets upgraded to fiber then its a different story.

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Originally Posted by pachelbel

Last year I read an article by NTL stating they would not lay any new cable due to the cost. Wimax would be the answer to service non cable areas. This week the city pundits are putting forward a tie up with Cable & Wireless to provide Virgin Media services to non cabled areas. I don't think we will have to wait long for the answer.

At some point someone in the uk is going to have to bite their tongue and invest in fiber, wimax isnt an answer copper certianly isnt an answer, they all far less capable then fiber. For whatever reason it may be noone seems willing to go it with fiber in the uk yet its progressing in other developed countries.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

All this talk of iptv etc. tho you will find sattelite coverage is pretty good, whilst their broadband goes over a copper local loop which is only decent on 25% of phone lines the rest noisy and long. I would say they probably fine using sattelite for tv and the reasoning for entering the broadband market was nothing to do with iptv but rather so they could offer bundles, if the ancient copper local loop ever gets upgraded to fiber then its a different story.

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At some point someone in the uk is going to have to bite their tongue and invest in fiber, wimax isnt an answer copper certianly isnt an answer, they all far less capable then fiber. For whatever reason it may be noone seems willing to go it with fiber in the uk yet its progressing in other developed countries.

Well here's a link that i posted in another thread. What network does C&W have that is being highlighted in the article. Sounds like Virgin Media are going down the route of buying in external network bandwidth rather investing in its own.



http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle1356266.ece

[Justy]

Originally Posted by CableWhatCable

Who do I think will win, It should be Virgin but it wont be. My reasoning for this is easy has anybody seen any new cables being laid? I moved on to a new estate 8 years ago expecting to sign up with cable as I didnt want a dish on the front of the house. Phoned up the cable provider Sorry cable not available in your area, strange I said we have manhole covers with your name on it, yes but we not put any cable in, when will you be running cable? No idea nothing planned. Still no cable even though 100 yards away the houses on the main road have cable.

There is a department that deals with this at Virgin Media. It's kinda one of those things (as bad as it sounds) you will need more than yourself that would be willing to change over for them to look into it and HOPEFULLY sort it. It is expensive to lay cables and they therefore need to look at the revenue potential. You need to find out who would be wlling to take the service if it was available and contact customer services with the information.

Have you spoken to a local sales rep - they are generally pretty good at getting these issues sorted.

Do u have a tobby (little black box in the ground outside your house - maybe in the street)

Do you know of anyone in your area that has ntl?

Originally Posted by pachelbel

Well here's a link that i posted in another thread. What network does C&W have that is being highlighted in the article. Sounds like Virgin Media are going down the route of buying in external network bandwidth rather investing in its own.



http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle1356266.ece

Nope what they intend using is the old Bulldog DSL network to reach off net customers. That will have nothing to do with on net bandwidth or upgrades

This i think is the bit your on about and is clear what they intend to do.

Virgin Media said that it would offer services for the first time to the 12.5 million homes that lie outside its cable system, using a network that is expected to be supplied predominantly by Cable & Wireless. The services, which will be limited at first, will begin in April, and upgrades will follow this year.

[Chrysalis]

Bill I take it they not putting equipment in street cabinets so people with crap phone lines are left without hope?

Virgin could have expanded cable to more higher populated areas and especially broadband enable already analogue cable areas and then play on the fact adsl is distance dependant while cable isnt, a big potential there missed I feel.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Bill I take it they not putting equipment in street cabinets so people with crap phone lines are left without hope?

Virgin could have expanded cable to more higher populated areas and especially broadband enable already analogue cable areas and then play on the fact adsl is distance dependant while cable isnt, a big potential there missed I feel.

I fully agree. I think a quick roll out is what they are after.

[Horace]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

All this talk of iptv etc. tho you will find sattelite coverage is pretty good, whilst their broadband goes over a copper local loop which is only decent on 25% of phone lines the rest noisy and long. I would say they probably fine using sattelite for tv and the reasoning for entering the broadband market was nothing to do with iptv but rather so they could offer bundles, if the ancient copper local loop ever gets upgraded to fiber then its a different story.

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At some point someone in the uk is going to have to bite their tongue and invest in fiber, wimax isnt an answer copper certianly isnt an answer, they all far less capable then fiber. For whatever reason it may be noone seems willing to go it with fiber in the uk yet its progressing in other developed countries.

Satellite coverage is excellent and for the time being at least is the best medium for TV broadcast, it is however very expensive with limited capacity, albeit not as limited as cable. As bandwidth increases and cost lower, eventually, and I'm not talking in the next couple of years here, satellite will become uneconomical vs IPTV.

[Toto]

Originally Posted by Horace

Satellite coverage is excellent and for the time being at least is the best medium for TV broadcast, it is however very expensive with limited capacity, albeit not as limited as cable. As bandwidth increases and cost lower, eventually, and I'm not talking in the next couple of years here, satellite will become uneconomical vs IPTV.

Why do you believe that cable is more limited than satelite?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Toto

Why do you believe that cable is more limited than satelite?

AFAIK the current hybrid system that is in use in the UK is limited due to the very nature of the system.

Perhaps Tristan, Bill or someone could point us in the right direction for some info on it?

[lostandconfused]

sky do seem to be more inovative and willing to try new things, i read somewhere this week Sky have just won the rights to the worlds first Origami Championships in Japan. Apparently it is only on paper view though until they recoup some of the initial outlay

[WittyName]

I've just seen an ad on Sky One asking ntl customers to contact ntl and demand they keep the Sky channels.