Saddam Hussein Executed

[Virgin Mary]

Originally Posted by Gareth

ps - anyone else seen the cover of this week's Private Eye?

This one?

[Gareth]

No, that's from the previous issue... this one has Dubya writing a letter. Looks like it's not on their site yet.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Gareth

No, that's from the previous issue... this one has Dubya writing a letter. Looks like it's not on their site yet.

It's up.....try that link again

btw......Libya is building a statue of Saddam.....link

Originally Posted by Xaccers

As I said, its a tradition in some muslim countries to not do it during this period, is that a tradition in Iraq? I doubt it.

Perhaps the Iraqi government disagree with you, Xaccers?
Linky1
"The Iraqi constitution prohibits executions during religious holidays."
Section 290 of Iraq's Law on Criminal Proceedings (1971). The section provides:

The death penalty cannot be carried out on official holidays and special festivals connected with the religion of the condemned person.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

To be honest, I don't remember a period in my 5 years in Saudi when chop square was shut down.
As for being hung before he finished his prayers, perhaps you're asking the wrong person
If there is a deity such as Allah, are words really needed for that deity to understand?
Remember, those who performed the execution did so knowing better than any of us over here what Saddam did to the Iraqi people, and if they don't think he deserved any longer, so be it.

The Iraqi government disagree with you, Xaccers (from the same article as below)
"Iraqi national security adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie has told the BBC that lessons have been learned and future executions will be handled differently. "We will take care of all the loopholes of what happened during Saddam's execution and we will leave no stone unturned to pursue those who have spoiled the victory of the Iraqi people in executing Saddam Hussein," he said."

Oh, and Dubya disagrees with you too......
Linky
"US President George W Bush has said he wished the execution of ex-Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had been more dignified "

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Perhaps the Iraqi government disagree with you, Xaccers?
Linky1
"The Iraqi constitution prohibits executions during religious holidays."

Section 290 of Iraq's Law on Criminal Proceedings (1971). The section provides:

The death penalty cannot be carried out on official holidays and special festivals connected with the religion of the condemned person.

The Iraqi government disagree with you, Xaccers (from the same article as below)
"Iraqi national security adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie has told the BBC that lessons have been learned and future executions will be handled differently. "We will take care of all the loopholes of what happened during Saddam's execution and we will leave no stone unturned to pursue those who have spoiled the victory of the Iraqi people in executing Saddam Hussein," he said."

Oh, and Dubya disagrees with you too......
Linky
"US President George W Bush has said he wished the execution of ex-Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had been more dignified "

I think the Egyptians aren't too happy either.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6233951.stm

[danielf]

Lybia plans to erect a statue for Saddam...

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/...051238,00.html

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I think the Egyptians aren't too happy either.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6233951.stm

But do we care about "these peopletm" or "these countriestm" ?


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[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Perhaps the Iraqi government disagree with you, Xaccers?
Linky1
"The Iraqi constitution prohibits executions during religious holidays."
Section 290 of Iraq's Law on Criminal Proceedings (1971). The section provides:

The death penalty cannot be carried out on official holidays and special festivals connected with the religion of the condemned person.

The Iraqi government disagree with you, Xaccers (from the same article as below)
"Iraqi national security adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie has told the BBC that lessons have been learned and future executions will be handled differently. "We will take care of all the loopholes of what happened during Saddam's execution and we will leave no stone unturned to pursue those who have spoiled the victory of the Iraqi people in executing Saddam Hussein," he said."

Oh, and Dubya disagrees with you too......
Linky
"US President George W Bush has said he wished the execution of ex-Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had been more dignified "

Good job he wasn't executed on a religious holiday then wasn't it?

[punky]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I think the Egyptians aren't too happy either.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6233951.stm

Eygpt know all about barbarism due to their absolutely appalling human rights record. Mubarak should know a thing or two about dictatorships too. Pity he doesn't know the phrase about the pot calling the kettle black.

I don't think anyone has said why the execution happened when it did, so I will. It happened during a very holy time for Muslims, when the insurgency and general mayhem would be at its relative quietest. It was taken as a national security action, rather than a judicial one. It made a lot of sense in regard to saving lives and quelling unrest, but people were going to complain regardless what happened.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Good job he wasn't executed on a religious holiday then wasn't it?

Well in all fairness the 9 days preceding the day of Eid Ul Adha are extremely important to Muslims worldwide, and the manner in which we are supposed to conduct ourselves over these days are even more so important than the rest of the year. There are quite a few people making the mistake that its ok because he was killed before dawn on the day of Eid Ul Adha, but infact its just as bad that he was killed in the day preceding it.

I think you need to be a muslim (or to have a deeper understanding of Islam) to truly understand and maybe appreciate the insensitivity of the timing and manner in which he was killed.

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Originally Posted by Gavin

I don't think anyone has said why the execution happened when it did, so I will. It happened during a very holy time for Muslims, when the insurgency and general mayhem would be at its relative quietest. It was taken as a national security action, rather than a judicial one. It made a lot of sense in regard to saving lives and quelling unrest, but people were going to complain regardless what happened.

Could we see the link or are you on the Iraqi Security Advisory Panel?

[lauzjp]

Originally Posted by Gavin

Eygpt know all about barbarism due to their absolutely appalling human rights record. Mubarak should know a thing or two about dictatorships too. Pity he doesn't know the phrase about the pot calling the kettle black.

when I was in Egypt last year sometimes people wanted to talk politics - secretly reading English newspapers for a different perspective on the world.

I think it's scary how despite increased tourism - in Egypt women are still 2nd class citizens; be they locals or tourists. Actually now I think about it, I think I saw maybe a handful of women the whole week and I don't even think they were Egyptian? Most people we met were male. Also scary how some hotels see fit to have armed gunmen /police on the doorstep. They searched people randomly coming and going of our hotel; I dread to think what happens after you get taken aside for any reason... reminds me, I must dig out an Arabic phrasebook!

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Gavin

Eygpt know all about barbarism due to their absolutely appalling human rights record. Mubarak should know a thing or two about dictatorships too. Pity he doesn't know the phrase about the pot calling the kettle black.
.

Lets invade them as well to get rid of Mubarak. On second thought, let's not, there's no oil under those pyramids is there?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Good job he wasn't executed on a religious holiday then wasn't it?

Sorry to bring facts into this thread, but -
BBClink1
"Saddam Hussein, a Sunni Muslim, was sentenced to death"

USAtodayLink1
"The executions were carried out at the beginning of Eid-Al-Adha, an Islamic religious holiday marking the climax of the annual Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca. Eid begins today for Sunnis and tomorrow for Shias."

[punky]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Could we see the link or are you on the Iraqi Security Advisory Panel?

No need to be sarcastic... It was in the media when it was ordered that he would be executed during, when the execution was rushed through, all the experts were giving their verdicts.

If that's not good enough for you, I am still entitled to an opinion on why something happened, even if I am a mod, you know.

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Lets invade them as well to get rid of Mubarak. On second thought, let's not, there's no oil under those pyramids is there?

Egypt's regime is one about 12 that needs to be toppled, if the UN ever actually cared about enforcing human rights.

Originally Posted by Gavin

Egypt's regime is one about 12 that needs to be toppled, if the UN ever actually cared about enforcing human rights.

China might be a bit of a handful, though.