smoking and the pub - Page 86

etccarmageddon · 14-03-2006, 07:25

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Originally Posted by Shabba

Why should i have to skulk out the back door for a cig like a naughty school boy? I've legally bought twenty fags and paid a vast amount of tax for them so why can't i sit in a room designated to smokers in a pub that i've frequented for years? Where are my rights??

you cant sit in a smokers room in pubs (in future) because your legal representatives voted that you have no right to do this (soon). so there are your rights - you will have the right to be able to smoke freely on your own property.

NitroNutter · 17-03-2006, 12:47

You cannot measure pub and club losses with brewery figures, they sell outdoor aswell as to licensed premises. Smokers can drink more @ home for less with no need to worry about the drunken stroll home after.

You would have to measure how many pubs and clubs existed prior to and after at a variety of time periods and then ascertain which closures were due to lack of custom becasue of a smoking ban and which closed for other reasons. Uk cant really use cafes in the equation either, we have never really had a huge alcohol in cafe culture.
Personally I think many smokers will just find alternative private places to socialise and use pubs less, doesnt mean they wont pop in for a pint or two here an there, but they will definatly not be so regular as before, and spend far less in there. I am also in agreement to a certain extent with others, alcohol is as bad a drug as smoking, effects on others can be somewhat more instantaneous than a few years of passive smoking. Its unfortunate but as theres such a large amount who cannot control themselves while under the alcohol influence, it to should be banned from all public places. This would help illeviate drink driving offences, binge drinking and the violence that follows, the mess the following morning all over the streets etc, relieve the nhs of considerable blood seen especially at the weekends, its really not nice taking a child or youth to hospital because they have had a minor accident and being subjected to the crap you can often recieve from the drunken absuive croud in the casualty dept, its not even nice to see them in the state they are in even if they are not being offensive just a bunch of drunkards, without the abuse that can also be there.

There should be a new campaign now "Ban all drug and drug like products from public places" and "ban popcorn with it too"

Theres many other places that could well be affected to some extent. Casinos, bingo halls etc may well suffer a large loss in patronage.

Nugget · 17-03-2006, 12:52

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Originally Posted by Shabba

It's patently obvious that the non smokers aren't going to give an inch and neither am i. I will ressurect this post with photos of newly closed public houses/clubs in my area in a few months time.

Frankly, if a large number of pubs or clubs close in your area, it shows a distinct lack of business sense and planning. There's been enough notice that a smoking ban of some description was going to come into force, so they have no excuse if they haven't found ways to work around it.

FWIW, I'm have to say that I don't agree with the ban the way that it's going to be implemented, but I accept that it's the way it's going to be. Businesses will have to find ways to work with it but, if they don't, you can't blame anyone other than those running them

Salu · 01-12-2006, 00:22

1st July

Can't wait!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6196910.stm

Druchii · 01-12-2006, 01:29

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Originally Posted by Salu

1st July

Can't wait!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6196910.stm

I honestly didn't think this would happen... I normally take it as part of the atmosphere when i go out. Nice to see it shall be gone

Wicked_and_Crazy · 01-12-2006, 01:55

wooooo hooooooooo

Shaun · 01-12-2006, 02:13

Great - can't wait. Was in Glasgow recently and the atmosphere in the bars and clubs is no much nicer.

Derek · 01-12-2006, 10:53

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Originally Posted by Shaun

Great - can't wait. Was in Glasgow recently and the atmosphere in the bars and clubs is no much nicer.

Just after it was introduced some of the clubs smelt a bit 'ripe' about 3 in the morning

Since then most of the larger ones have started pumping in fragrances to mask some of the smells that tend to linger.

punky · 01-12-2006, 11:35

I went into pubs in Dublin... The missus and I didn't notice until we remembered the news.

So not really a dramatic then. And this is from two non-smokers.

**Hugh** · 01-12-2006, 11:42

Went to pubs in Cork last year - only noticed it when I got back to the hotel, and realised that my clothes didn't stink of stale smoke. The Cork pubs had a separate room for smoking, with glass walls - seemed to work for them.

Looking forward to the ban, as it will mean I don't have to have a shower before going to bed (to stop the bed linen smelling of smoke), after being out for a few drinks

TheDaddy · 01-12-2006, 11:54

I feel quite sorry for smokers, it would serve us right if they all decided to give up at once! I wonder how the government would make up the revenue shortfall?

hatedbythemail · 01-12-2006, 11:57

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I feel quite sorry for smokers, it would serve us right if they all decided to give up at once! I wonder how the government would make up the revenue shortfall?

a cashflow problem for sure but longer term less strain on the nhs (although stress related illnesses may rise during the withrawal process

).

can i just plead for no-one to post bluddy speed cameras in response to your question

orangebird · 01-12-2006, 11:58

Boo Hiss etc. I still think landlords (freehold landlords in particular) should have a choice.

TheDaddy · 01-12-2006, 12:03

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Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

a cashflow problem for sure but longer term less strain on the nhs (although stress related illnesses may rise during the withrawal process

).

It might be interesting to know how much is generated by tobacco tax compared to what smokers cost the NHS, especially as I seem to remember reports stating that the effects of alcohol cost the NHS more than anything else.

hatedbythemail · 01-12-2006, 12:05

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Boo Hiss etc. I still think landlords (freehold landlords in particular) should have a choice.

ah , thought fag ash lil would be along in a min

but o/b, landlords and landladies have been expecting this for some time so there's really no excuse for not being prepared for it. and then there are the staff issues etc. what's that you say? we've gone over this already? oh yeah

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It might be interesting to know how much is generated by tobacco tax compared to what smokers cost the NHS, especially as I seem to remember reports stating that the effects of alcohol cost the NHS more than anything else.

the societal costs of alcohol must be immense as its noit just nhs but crime and disorder. never really understood why football clubs have to pay for policing* whilst the vertical drinking, happy houring chicago rocks of this world dont.

* dont agree with that policy for the record.