A little inside information by an Employee.

[DieDieMyDarling]

Originally Posted by pharrell

ok, so a point has been proved - ntl.telewest will the market leader for a long times when it comes to bb.

My dad is bigger than your dad, and if you continue to steal my dinner money, my dad will beat your dad up.

[Womble]

Originally Posted by Scarlett

21CN is all about the backbone rather then the outlying reaches of the network. The idea AFAIK is to have a big network that you will then plug into to make calls. The big differences are that once in, you will send your calls via whatever route is most efficent at the time rather than you dialling the number and making a dedicated connection (probably following the same route each time) It should also allow quicker time to market for new products and services.

I was led to believe thats "just for starters", eventually, all of BT's subs will run of it, and the "copper" switches (system X Switches) will be "handed over" to the LLU peeps to do with what they wish

[RUSTY]

hi to all from a new member. interesting and informative forum. if as it seems ntl are short of cash why do the sales team seem not to interested in my purchase of phone/ tv/ broadband/notts-m1-juct 25 area. have four ntl manholes/two green boxes within fifty foot of my house & small conn box end of drive.yet it takes up to ten days to check out if i can get the service. both adjacent neighbours have the service. house numbers may be the problem as there are two houses on three plots, & established property.

[jorye]

Thanks for the information.

[themelon]

This is an example of how pathetic BT are in this area:

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...=sidebarsearch

What exactly is the 'safety reason' for cutting the wire. ntl are certainally no worse than these clowns!

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by themelon

This is an example of how pathetic BT are in this area:

What exactly is the 'safety reason' for cutting the wire. ntl are certainally no worse than these clowns!

Maybe something as trivial as a vehicle catching it, or perhaps it was dangerously close to an overhead mains cable.

Whatever the reason peoples safety comes before the internet.

[gooner4life]

Originally Posted by themelon

This is an example of how pathetic BT are in this area:

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...=sidebarsearch

What exactly is the 'safety reason' for cutting the wire. ntl are certainally no worse than these clowns!

it was a safety reason, a vehicle catching on it etc.

also BT will compensate those customers greatly unlike ntl.

21CN will be to the home as well, they will be getting rid of system x switches, everything will be cabled up in the exchanges, frames engineers will be a thing of the past.

customers will dial a number or log onto a website to order a product and by the time they finish the call to an automated system or browse to a different page the product will be active on the customers account and delivered via 21CN.

i've worked for NTL, BT and Homechoice, i've never seen a network as impressive as 21CN albeit they were just the plans.

[Lord Nikon]

Makes you wonder why the guy, who was presumably a line technician didn't simply shorten the cable or re-tie it on the pole to lift it somewhat. doesn't take much to apply a couple of zip ties to a loop of cable really.

Would have been better than snipping it really.

[SOSAGES]

read a lot of this - original poster is crazy.

thats all i have to say.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Lord Nikon

Makes you wonder why the guy, who was presumably a line technician didn't simply shorten the cable or re-tie it on the pole to lift it somewhat. doesn't take much to apply a couple of zip ties to a loop of cable really.

AFAIK, BT usually do just zip tie the cable to the post. At least they seem to in this area.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by gooner4life

it was a safety reason, a vehicle catching on it etc.

also BT will compensate those customers greatly unlike ntl.

21CN will be to the home as well, they will be getting rid of system x switches, everything will be cabled up in the exchanges, frames engineers will be a thing of the past.

customers will dial a number or log onto a website to order a product and by the time they finish the call to an automated system or browse to a different page the product will be active on the customers account and delivered via 21CN.

i've worked for NTL, BT and Homechoice, i've never seen a network as impressive as 21CN albeit they were just the plans.

WOW your defenition of 21CN is somewhat different to what BTs is.

BT often pass faulty services as fault free so in that regard you wouldnt get working service never mind compensated, 21CN is not on the local loop only up to the exchange.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by gooner4life

it was a safety reason, a vehicle catching on it etc.

also BT will compensate those customers greatly unlike ntl.

21CN will be to the home as well, they will be getting rid of system x switches, everything will be cabled up in the exchanges, frames engineers will be a thing of the past.

customers will dial a number or log onto a website to order a product and by the time they finish the call to an automated system or browse to a different page the product will be active on the customers account and delivered via 21CN.

i've worked for NTL, BT and Homechoice, i've never seen a network as impressive as 21CN albeit they were just the plans.

They can do most of what you describe already. As for 21cn to the home? Somehow I doubt it. BT would have to replace probably tens of thousands of MILES of copper pair cable, and the customer equipment (sockets) in the house. Bear in mind that legally, BT have to provide a connection to every house, regardless of whether the occupants of that house are customers or not.

Edit: Just done some checking. Seems that BT are not replacing the "last mile" of cable. They are going to be relying on ADSL 2+ (or another DSL technology) for that. Looked at like that, some people are going to be in exactly the same boat as they are today.

Originally Posted by gooner4life

it was a safety reason, a vehicle catching on it etc.

also BT will compensate those customers greatly unlike ntl.

21CN will be to the home as well, they will be getting rid of system x switches, everything will be cabled up in the exchanges, frames engineers will be a thing of the past.

customers will dial a number or log onto a website to order a product and by the time they finish the call to an automated system or browse to a different page the product will be active on the customers account and delivered via 21CN.

i've worked for NTL, BT and Homechoice, i've never seen a network as impressive as 21CN albeit they were just the plans.

From what i have seen of this so far. Its upgrades to their core network. It has nothing to do with the BT speaker wire connection. I am in and out of BT exchanges everyday and have had long conversations with BT engineers and everyone i talk to say this has nothing to do with the copper to the house.

[Chrysalis]

Interesting Bill, is the general consensus from them the local loop needs work or do they see no problems with the limitations?

Every engineer I had over here shrugs their shoulders like everything is hunky dory.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Interesting Bill, is the general consensus from them the local loop needs work or do they see no problems with the limitations?

Every engineer I had over here shrugs their shoulders like everything is hunky dory.

The feeling i get from them is that they know it needs updating, However its a long way from being implemented. There is talk of fibre to the cab but they just look at you as if your mad if you ask them if its anywhere near ready for deployment.

BT have a very good infrastructure until it comes to the last mile and that's where they are let down badly if you are talking adsl or adsl2+.