A little inside information by an Employee.

Neil... Neil... orange peel, when will we see you again!?

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I was led to believe the last mile is very much now agreed on though, and the bottom line is cost. I am led to believe that HFC has come out the winner in the argument, and the technology I mentioned in the previous post looks almost certain to be implemented.

I was certainly told exactly the opposite a month or so ago from the same source, so it appears things have swung in favour of HFC technology recently.

Well the successful US cable franchises all do fine with HFC on the last mile running 15Mb BB and HD and VOD and VoIP succesfully. And the HFC is in place.

[Womble]

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Well the successful US cable franchises all do fine with HFC on the last mile running 15Mb BB and HD and VOD and VoIP succesfully. And the HFC is in place.

Yeah, but they maintain theirs, proactivley, we just firefight, but who knows?.. From what I've seen so far, TW seem to be more customer orientated, instead of the ntl way where they are treat subs like a hinderance!! So things may get better, we'll see

Originally Posted by Dodger444

Neil... Neil... orange peel, when will we see you again!?

What a load of old cr@p. It's not a gnome, it's a hippy he's just killed. He killed a hippy everybody!!! (smash)

[andygrif]

Originally Posted by orangebird

I'm beginning to wonder if andygrif and Neil are related.

Yes, we're live-in lovers! But then you'd know that OB, as you're our live-in gimp

Now get back in the cupboard under the stairs

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Looks like the NTL propaganda machine is in top gear
Their customer services are diabolical, forget all this talk of fibre cables, if the staff cant treat people with respect and actually get something right at the first time of asking now and again then I think I will stay with my crap poor BT broadband when that comes about.

I think that's one of the most sensible posts on the thread...certainly a lot more sensible than what I've just written above!

You can have the best network in the world, but if you ain't got then kit, service or ability to deliver - it's all pretty useless. Maybe it will change this time...maybe it won't. There's over years' of history that suggests it won't.

Originally Posted by Chris T

What a load of old cr@p. It's not a gnome, it's a hippy he's just killed. He killed a hippy everybody!!! (smash)

Nature planted me.... etc etc etc

Well, I did notice... he was hopping when he left.




I know, I know!... Sorry

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

and out of the thousands of members only a small portion are posing regularly? ...

Are you referring to us "our avatars are movie stars" bunch?

Originally Posted by andygrif

Yes, we're live-in lovers! But then you'd know that OB, as you're our live-in gimp

Now get back in the cupboard under the stairs



I think that's one of the most sensible posts on the thread...certainly a lot more sensible than what I've just written above!

You can have the best network in the world, but if you ain't got then kit, service or ability to deliver - it's all pretty useless. Maybe it will change this time...maybe it won't. There's over years' of history that suggests it won't.



Nature planted me.... etc etc etc

Thats the thing see, it is like the first time as a kid you ignore your mum and put your hand on the electric ring, it burns and leaves a mark in your memory that tells you not to do it again!
I associate the above scenario with all the promises being peddled by NTL, they sound great! but past experience has taught me it can be a pipe dream too
So a lot of work has to be done by them, and I am not just talking about technology, thats great to have IF IT WORKS!
No good sitting on the hard shoulder of the m6 in your audi tt when a skoda shoots past you!

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

so whats the timescale on this 21C? I knew this was on the cards but this is gonna take ages surely?

See http://www.switchedonuk.org/home/when/

Q4 2011 for me!

Originally Posted by spiderplant

See http://www.switchedonuk.org/home/when/

Q4 2011 for me!

Q2 2009 for Warrington

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Thats the thing see, it is like the first time as a kid you ignore your mum and put your hand on the electric ring, it burns and leaves a mark in your memory that tells you not to do it again!
I associate the above scenario with all the promises being peddled by NTL, they sound great! but past experience has taught me it can be a pipe dream too
So a lot of work has to be done by them, and I am not just talking about technology, thats great to have IF IT WORKS!
No good sitting on the hard shoulder of the m6 in your audi tt when a skoda shoots past you!

The 1.8T Audi TT and the Skoda Octavia VRS have the same engine.

[themelon]

What about the last Mile for 21st Century Network?

I still have my 100 year old piece of speaker wire dangling (very loosely I might add) from a telephone pole. It along with many others round here is aniquated anddoesnt look to have been maintainined since the days of the ark. Are BT going to replace this and the rest of the antiquated equipment in the final mile?

I can't honestly see them laying/hanging ethernet to the home, or even a new twisted pair to every house in the UK.

Closest 21st CN Will come to the home is the exchange or maybe the street cabinets, but thats going to need 1980/90 Cable company road digging powers! Which is unlikley

All I hope is that the new technology is not as reliant on distance from the exchange and quality of cabling in the last mile, as I cant see how it will make much difference.

The BT Line in my old house was crap, BT refused to replace it unless I paid for it, so what has changed?

BT already have perfectly good equipment in the exchanges at present, Its the final mile that lets it down, and I can not see how this is going to change. Only houses in new build developments will have the full effect.

BT have yet to get ADSL right if you live more than 1 mile from the exchange, BT Said they would release VOD this summer, I am yet to see it working. BT Said they would install 4 ISDN Lines at my work 33 days ago and promised it within 10 but can not deliver due to technical issues.

BT persists in talking complete and utter B/S as always, I would be very pleasantly surprised to see any of the current suggestions working by 2010 let alon 21st CN

BT (Its good to talk (utter ****e that is)

[greyfox1974]

As for the prices, NTL.Telewest give you free Line Rental (with CableTV packages), Free Weekend Calls to all Local & National UK home telephones - Our call package prices are dropping, we are the first company in Europe to offer "Quad-Play" - visit the websites, compare the prices, and you will see, NTL.Telewest works out cheaper, and you will be able to get it all on the one bill, so it's convenient too.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm well my line rental aint free i pays £11 for it a month with my 4mb £24.99 cable tv 19.99 or so / ur fone prices are going up not down the 321 plan is going to be 333 so hows that going down is 3p less than 1p bt prices have came down for they talk unlimited 24 u pay £9.99 i thinks and ntl is mmmmmmmmmmmm let me guess £15.50 or so take your head out off ur butt and stop talkin a lot of bull plz

[Chrysalis]

seems I was wrong about 21cn the docs rlsed by BT have no mention of fibre in the local loops meaning less then half will see anything above 8mbit on adsl2+. Its a possibility for sure now in 2011 when bt are still finishing of 21cn they still relying on copper local loops. My area isnt getting 21cn until Q2 2010.

[popper]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

seems I was wrong about 21cn the docs rlsed by BT have no mention of fibre in the local loops meaning less then half will see anything above 8mbit on adsl2+. Its a possibility for sure now in 2011 when bt are still finishing of 21cn they still relying on copper local loops. My area isnt getting 21cn until Q2 2010.

i think its reasonable to assume that by 2010 WiMax will be widespread if the industry has anything to do with it and hence that last mile will be covered, thats one of the reasons why i advocate wireless as standard in future stb's etc.