Football Talk 2006/2007 Season - Page 36

TheDaddy · 28-09-2006, 15:52

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Originally Posted by gazzae

So you don't think its possible for two teams to go for it for 120 minutes and still end in a draw?

Not if someone scores in extra time, the match would end then.

gazzae · 28-09-2006, 15:52

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Not if someone scores in extra time, the match would end then.

And thats fairer because?

TheDaddy · 28-09-2006, 15:58

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Originally Posted by gazzae

And thats fairer because?

For a start it would mean that a team couldn't win the trophy with out having a shot on goal, like could of happened in 1990

gazzae · 28-09-2006, 16:12

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

For a start it would mean that a team couldn't win the trophy with out having a shot on goal, like could of happened in 1990

You can't be advocating the end of pens because of a tounament 16 years ago? Considering things like the backpass rule have been introduced since then. It wasn't even settled on penalties (but was settled by a penalty).

TheDaddy · 28-09-2006, 16:21

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Originally Posted by gazzae

You can't be advocating the end of pens because of a tounament 16 years ago? Considering things like the backpass rule have been introduced since then. It wasn't even settled on penalties (but was settled by a penalty).

Nobody can dispute that is what one team were playing for though and I don't think anyone can deny that on the whole extra time at the finals have been rather drab affairs with both teams obviously content to play for penalties, tbh though we have drifted a bit the real question is do we want the competition settled this way, I for one don't.

gazzae · 28-09-2006, 16:32

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I don't think anyone can deny that on the whole extra time at the finals have been rather drab affairs with both teams obviously content to play for penalties

Then the silver goal is the better idea. Teams can attack knowing even if they make a mistake and concede they still have some time to rectify it.

sherer · 28-09-2006, 16:33

surelt it would be better to have a replay 3 or 4 days which is the same gap between games during a WC anyway and if that ends in a draw after ET then have pens... it's better than just going to pens

in the old days some matches were won on the toss of a coin

danielf · 28-09-2006, 16:37

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Originally Posted by sherer

surelt it would be better to have a replay 3 or 4 days which is the same gap between games during a WC anyway and if that ends in a draw after ET then have pens... it's better than just going to pens

in the old days some matches were won on the toss of a coin

I don't see that working with the tight schedule you have during a tournament. It might work for the final, but personally, I think that needs to be decided on the day. When you sit down for the match, I like to know the World Champion will be crowned that night. Not a few days later (potentially)

sherer · 28-09-2006, 16:46

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Originally Posted by danielf

I don't see that working with the tight schedule you have during a tournament. It might work for the final, but personally, I think that needs to be decided on the day. When you sit down for the match, I like to know the World Champion will be crowned that night. Not a few days later (potentially)

in 66 there was a replay scheduled for Upton Park a few days later. there was even a programme already made just in case.. as has been the case for a long time until pens came in.. surely they could just say in the rules if no winner is decided then there will be a replay a few days later

ok it would be difficult for some of the other matches during the second round onwards

gazzae · 28-09-2006, 16:51

Anyway, Blatter has changed his tune a bit. It wasn't that long ago he was suggesting that ALL games which end drawn should be settled by a shootout.

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Originally Posted by sherer

in the old days some matches were won on the toss of a coin

Got it!

If the match is drawn after 120 Minutes, both captains into the centre circle, best of three scissor, paper, stone.

danielf · 28-09-2006, 16:52

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Originally Posted by sherer

in 66 there was a replay scheduled for Upton Park a few days later. there was even a programme already made just in case.. as has been the case for a long time until pens came in.. surely they could just say in the rules if no winner is decided then there will be a replay a few days later

ok it would be difficult for some of the other matches during the second round onwards

Fair enough, but then again, there weren't x billion people across the globe watching the match on telly. Plus all the corporate hospitality etc. I think the stakes are so high (commercially as well as logistically), that a replay may not be feasible anymore.

sherer · 28-09-2006, 16:53

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Originally Posted by gazzae

Anyway, Blatter has changed his tune a bit. It wasn't that long ago he was suggesting that ALL games which end drawn should be settled by a shootout.

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Got it!

If the match is drawn after 120 Minutes, both captains into the centre circle, best of three scissor, paper, stone.

lol

maybe a game of connect 4 instead

believe me it did used to happen.. have to see if i can find some examples

just realised we must be the only ones that take any notice of Blatter i'm sure FIFA won't even look into this.. unless they realised a replay would give them more revenue from an extra match on TV and extra ticket and programme sales it won't happen

TheDaddy · 28-09-2006, 16:53

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Originally Posted by gazzae

Then the silver goal is the better idea. Teams can attack knowing even if they make a mistake and concede they still have some time to rectify it.

I'd go along with that, in fact I go along with anything reasonably sensible to resolve the match rather than penalties. I am not sure about Blatter's idea of reducing the numbers of players though seems to me that will cause a lot of confusion.

I have posted this idea before, it's a shame I can't remember where I heard it, basically drawn games are decided on how many times the goalkeepers touch the ball (obviously excluding goal kicks, free kicks etc), this would encourage attacking football and discourage back passes also it has the added benefit of giving the fourth referee a job, I am not sure it would be a good idea for a World Cup final but perhaps it's worth looking at, the only downside being if you have Graham Poll as fourth ref

danielf · 28-09-2006, 16:54

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Originally Posted by gazzae

Got it!

If the match is drawn after 120 Minutes, both captains into the centre circle, best of three scissor, paper, stone.

How about: If goals have been scored, then the one that scored first wins. Or: a panel of judges decides which goal was best, and awards the trophy to the team that scored it?

gazzae · 29-09-2006, 12:53

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WENGER WORRIED BY FOREIGN OWNERS

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger admits he is concerned by the increasing trend of foreign ownership in Premiership clubs.

The Frenchman put out a first XI in the Champions League on Wednesday with only one British player in the line-up.

He said: "This trend [for foreign ownership] does worry me. Generally you want the clubs to be in control of their own destiny. If you suddenly have 20 foreign investors who buy 20 English clubs you are in danger.

"The manager is foreign, the players are foreign, you need to draw a line. England doesn't control it any more."

He added in Arsenal's magazine, reproduced in the Daily Mirror: "I feel the soul of football in this country is first granted by the owners of the clubs. Here, for example, at Arsenal I feel I am really at an English club.

"Traditionally the people who owned the clubs were first and foremost supporters. If that ceases to be the case then the clubs lose something."

http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...549952,00.html

So there you have it. It doesn't matter if you only have one or two English players in your whole first team squad as long as you're owned by somebody English.