Global warming 'past the point of no return'

[hatedbythemail]

Originally Posted by Chris T

My concern is not so much with whether someone's right to free speech is being eroded. With ExxonMobil on their side, that is very unlikely to happen. What worries me is the apparent sacrifice of proper scientific method and objectivity on the part of the Royal Society.

im not sure theres evidence for that.

One columnist I read this weekend - either the Sunday Express or Sunday Herald, I forget which - suggested that some climate scientists are beginning to sound worryingly like a priestood, for whom climate change is an article of faith, rather than a scientific theory open to challenge and revision.

ah, but could the journalist that wrote that have been lobbied/duped by exxon or scientists in its pay ;-)

Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

im not sure theres evidence for that. ;-)

"The letter, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, adds: "I would be grateful if you could let me know which organisations in the UK and other European countries have been receiving funding so that I can work out which of these have been similarly providing inaccurate and misleading information to the public.""
and
"The next IPCC report should give people the final push that they need to take action and we can't have people trying to undermine it."
Seems to have made up their mind, before finding out the facts.

Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

ah, but could the journalist that wrote that have been lobbied/duped by exxon or scientists in its pay ;-)

or might he not - OK, your evidence backed statement has convinced me

[injuneer]

Originally Posted by Chris T

You don't have to accept or trust the results produced by the scientists who are paid for by the oil industry. But to try to prevent them even doing their research? Surely you're not suggesting that is a 'scientific' way to behave?

I also think it is naive to believe that the oil industry is the only vested interest here. As I said earlier, there is a lot of research money to be had at the moment, for people willing to give their time over to researching climate change.

I wouldn't trust Exxon-Mobil though, these are the people that funded George Bush's re-election! Now they are comparing Al Gore to a nazi !

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/23/gore-movie-g/

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Chris T

My concern is not so much with whether someone's right to free speech is being eroded. With ExxonMobil on their side, that is very unlikely to happen. What worries me is the apparent sacrifice of proper scientific method and objectivity on the part of the Royal Society.

One columnist I read this weekend - either the Sunday Express or Sunday Herald, I forget which - suggested that some climate scientists are beginning to sound worryingly like a priestood, for whom climate change is an article of faith, rather than a scientific theory open to challenge and revision.

It does seem as though the Royal Society are attacking the source of the research rather than the research itself.

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Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

im not sure theres evidence for that.

How about the fact they are attacking the source of the funding rather than the research itself?

[hatedbythemail]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

"The letter, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, adds: "I would be grateful if you could let me know which organisations in the UK and other European countries have been receiving funding so that I can work out which of these have been similarly providing inaccurate and misleading information to the public.""
and
"The next IPCC report should give people the final push that they need to take action and we can't have people trying to undermine it."
Seems to have made up their mind, before finding out the facts.

the overall tenor is one of scepticism not backed up by evidence but that statement does allow for accurate resarch being funded in that it says "which of these have been..."

or might he not - OK, your evidence backed statement has convinced me

well i did put one of these ;-) at the end of that statement! :-)

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

It does seem as though the Royal Society are attacking the source of the research rather than the research itself.

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How about the fact they are attacking the source of the funding rather than the research itself?

granted they may well be allowing past experience to cloud judgement of research which they have yet to evaluate. but equally they are suggesting there is evidence to demonstrate that exxon are deliberately trying to exaggerate the extent of scientific opposition to what it claims is an otherwise consensual scientific approach (withinin which there are differences) to the causes of climate change.

the fact that exxon, unlike the other oil companies, is not keen to invist in bio fuels is interesting too, though it could be read a few ways why that might be (such as there convinced of their own science). i remain, as ever, sceptical ;-)

Apologies for bumping an old thread, but, it is encouraging to have read the following.........

The US has switched to daylight saving time, or summer time, three weeks earlier than usual to cut fuel consumption and help the environment.

I wonder if this country might follow suit next year

Anyway, it is good to note that the US is doing something about GW at last

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6438563.stm

The weather today is so amazing for Mid March!! Imagine what its going to be like come July

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

The weather today is so amazing for Mid March!! Imagine what its going to be like come July

Just imagine what it will be like in 10 years

Cold probably, like last year

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/22...daffodils.html

Daffs are blooming (if that's what they do) in Leeds now.

The planet is due to warm up, no matter what we do about a few gasses- it's currently the coldest it's been for hundreds of millions of years, and has only been this cold three times before.

[punky]

Hopefully i'll get around to watch "The Great Global Warming Swindle" tonight. Looks interesting.

[meld51]

I watched that programme and I thought it was a credible response to the global warming issue. All the interviewees seemed to have the right credentials.

Then I saw the Sunday Times magazine which had an article that was as scary as you can get.

These contradictory standpoints confused me so I thought I'd look a bit deeper.

I went to the Met office website and came across this, which is a sober and scientific study of climate change and climate modelling. I trust the Met Office...and before you say it...it is not the same as predicting next week's weather.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research...modeldata.html

Having read this document, the truth is...scary.

Since this document was written in 2005 there has been an update document.
I would urge everyone to read this stone cold sober document.

Next I will read the Stern report.

[paul nolan]

Originally Posted by meld51

I went to the Met office website and came across this, which is a sober and scientific study of climate change and climate modelling. I trust the Met Office...and before you say it...it is not the same as predicting next week's weather.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research...modeldata.html

Having read this document, the truth is...scary.

Personally, I don't trust any website ending .gov.uk to handle anything but government spin....

I fimly believe "Man Made" global warming (the planet is warming naturally and theres nothing we can do about it) should be classed along the lines of the Milennium Bug, and is a simple handy tool to raise taxes, keep businesses in line and create jobs.

[meld51]

That's a very cynical view Paul and I understand where you are coming from but there are departments and departments. Also I would like to think you are right with your conspiracy theory but have you read this report? Have you the knowledge to write with authority or are you just reflecting the thoughts around you and taking the easy line?

I wanted to know if the CO2 build up in the atmosphere was caused by people and I now think I have read a credible arguement that shows that it is our fault. Have you got a credible arguement that says it is not?

Finally, are you willing to gamble with our children's future?