Splitting RF and SCART Signals

[Saneboy13]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

I can understand where you are coming from, however, in my experience (I have a Tivo connected to the TV and STB), if you have picture quality problems, NTL just blame any extra equipment you have added. Either that, or the CSR asks you to disconnect it first.

Splitting the feed BEFORE it gets to the STB wasn't what the OP was talking about though. He or She was talking about splitting either the Scart or RF Outputs AFTER they leave the STB.

Now, unless I am much mistaken, it would take some soldering for someone to be able to attach a Scart splitter or Aerial input for a TV directly to the network.

I stand by my point though. If something someone attaches to either the RF out or the Scart sockets on the STB causes interference on the network, then the STB needs replacing.

Stu,

That is totally inexcusable from an engineer/CSR stand point, and I know it's something that is being looked at. I also fully understand what you are saying about the initial question here, it just really gets to me when customers with the best will in the world split off to feed other TV's and connect to the input.

I just think that if people want that done, then get a second/third Digi box installed.

I look at all of this from a Networks perspective. The more I encourage/bang my drum whatever you want to call it in respect of getting people away from splitting the cable to other TV's the better.

We have enough trouble getting rid of ingress/noise on the system as it is without people splitting the feed and using sub standard cable. The other favourite is people "extending" their cable. Putting in an extra length of cable so they can move their TV over the other side of the room. They go out and get "air space" cable and connect it to our cable, that again causes all sorts of rubbish on the Network.

If we can get people away from doing this, then the Network would be alot better with regards to ingress/noise and this would stop things like modems speeds running slow, or pixelation on their TV's. I know it wouldn't clear everything up in one fell swoop, but it would be a good starting point IMHO

Originally Posted by Stu038

...Section 9.1 of the T&Cs still states that ntl have to carry out the addition of any extra cabling or equipment though so if they wanted they could still argue that extra TVs connected by the customer are a breach of T&Cs.

Section 9.1 surely only relates to cabling & equipment that was originally supplied by ntl though.

My understanding of that section, is that you may not add another STB bought from the dodgy geezer down the pub.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Saneboy13

Stu,

That is totally inexcusable from an engineer/CSR stand point, and I know it's something that is being looked at. I also fully understand what you are saying about the initial question here, it just really gets to me when customers with the best will in the world split off to feed other TV's and connect to the input.

I just think that if people want that done, then get a second/third Digi box installed.

Actually, if I thought the OP meant splitting the cable feed (the one that normally goes from the network INTO the STB, then I would agree with you 100% and would close the thread. In that case, he or she should rent another STB (or two, or three).

However, as far as I can see, the OP is talking about taking the OUTPUT from the STB (be it RF or Scart) and transmitting that around the house.

Originally Posted by Saneboy13

...it just really gets to me when customers with the best will in the world split off to feed other TV's and connect to the input.

I just think that if people want that done, then get a second/third Digi box installed...

I think it is clear from the OP's second question that he knows exactly what he wants to do. He is simply asking if he can split the scart output to feed 2 TV's.

Reading the T&C's, I cannot see any reason why he cannot do this. There is no (longer?) mention of 1 box, 1 TV. Quoting sections about not tampering, modifying, adding, etc. surely only relate to equipment supplied by ntl. IMO I cannot see any reason why the customer cannot connect whatever they want to the scart output.

Would you consider changing your TV to be a modification? Would changing the scart lead be a modification?

To have to subscribe to a second STB just to watch the same channel in another room is ridiculous.

[Stu038]

Originally Posted by XFS03

Section 9.1 surely only relates to cabling & equipment that was originally supplied by ntl though.

My understanding of that section, is that you may not add another STB bought from the dodgy geezer down the pub.

I agree, but I brought it up because its vague enough that if needed it could be used to prevent someone putting their own cableing/amps in place to feed the tv in their downstairs loo.

[sollp]

Lets clear this one:

When you want to feed another TV from the RF OUTPUT of the Digi STB, this is no problem at all. You can split, amplify, whatever you need to do with it as long as like all ready mentioned it causes no issues.

Splitting, amplifying with the RF coax cable that goes into the RF INPUT on your STB, is not allowed due to the problems it causes and because it break T&C's,( yes everybody like to interprate T&C's to suit there needs).

Basically tampering with the cable is not allowed whatever the situation when the cable is the one that goes into either the STB or the Modem.

Simple really.