Is there an NTL PVR?

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Neil

<snip>so what faith should I have exactly that they are about to do it?

Neil, no-one has said you should have faith. But writing it off as crap before it's even been released is a little foolish. I'd hate to think of the all the 'i told you so' posts heading your way to bite you on the ass if it does get released successfully

[Neil]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Neil, no-one has said you should have faith. But writing it off as crap before it's even been released is a little foolish. I'd hate to think of the all the 'i told you so' posts heading your way to bite you on the ass if it does get released successfully

I look forward to pulling my trousers down only to not get bitten.

I haven't 'written it off as crap' either, what I said was that:

1) ntl are at least 5 years behind Sky in launching their PVR-imagine if their broadband was the same & was 5 years behind?

2) ntl have never launched a DTV product to even rival (let alone outshine) Sky's offerings.

Originally Posted by Neil

2) ntl have never launched a DTV product to even rival (let alone outshine) Sky's offerings.

Yes they have Neil - VOD. Which has been repeatedly stated several times now.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Neil

I look forward to pulling my trousers down only to not get bitten.

I haven't 'written it off as crap' either, what I said was that:

1) ntl are at least 5 years behind Sky in launching their PVR-imagine if their broadband was the same & was 5 years behind?

2) ntl have never launched a DTV product to even rival (let alone outshine) Sky's offerings.

OK then.

I think you're foolish to write it off as inferior/sub standard etc etc etc.

I have Sky+ at home. It's handy. Not super, or raging technology, or a mindblowing addition to my life, just handy. And even then, it buggers up. Stopped recording for no reason whatsoever half way through a film I wanted to watch. At least with VOD I'd have been able to watch it again.

[skyblueheroes]

I don't think I could get on without Sky+ now. Its become one the essential bills I need to pay. Its superb.

Originally Posted by Neil

I look forward to pulling my trousers down only to not get bitten.

I haven't 'written it off as crap' either, what I said was that:

1) ntl are at least 5 years behind Sky in launching their PVR-imagine if their broadband was the same & was 5 years behind?

2) ntl have never launched a DTV product to even rival (let alone outshine) Sky's offerings.

Think this is you writing it off

Originally Posted by Neil

Sky have pretty got the PVR market sewn up, the Sky + box has been out for about 4 & 1/2 years now & there's no way that ntl could ever hope to market anything to even rival it, let alone out perform it.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes they have Neil - VOD. Which has been repeatedly stated several times now.

Is it available to every ntl customer in exactly the same way that Sky + (for example) is available to a Sky customer?

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Originally Posted by orangebird

OK then.

I think you're foolish to write it off as inferior/sub standard etc etc etc.

Why?

Originally Posted by Orangebird

I have Sky+ at home. It's handy. Not super, or raging technology, or a mindblowing addition to my life, just handy. And even then, it buggers up. Stopped recording for no reason whatsoever half way through a film I wanted to watch.

I'm not saying it's fault free, so let's not split hairs, but my point is that you have been able to get a PVR from Sky for nearly 5 years now & ntl still are yet to launch one.

Originally Posted by Orangebird

At least with VOD I'd have been able to watch it again.

Only if

A) You are "lucky" enough to live in a VOD enabled area.

b) The VOD service did not suffer a fault like the Sky + one you described above.

Originally Posted by Neil

1) ntl are at least 5 years behind Sky in launching their PVR-imagine if their broadband was the same & was 5 years behind?

No Sky are 5 years behind NTL on Broadband, And for once you cannot say Sky where forward thinking on that. Plus If Sky has 5 years of learning from NTL why are they now making a complete hash of it by phoning up customers ,telling them they can have 16 meg broadband and then a couple of days later saying you cannot.





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5 years watching others and they still cannot get it right

Three times they have done this to me.

[AntiSilence]

I'm in an NTL area and have already got PVR... It's called the VCR!!!

Originally Posted by AntiSilence

I'm in an NTL area and have already got PVR... It's called the VCR!!!

[popper]

Originally Posted by skyblueheroes

Nice. So a Mod ends a thread which is in the middle of some good discussion.

while it not clear that that was the intention of his post,it does appear the mods are becoming far to strict by imposing their personal view that the original poster did not want to encurage 'some good discussion'

it appears in this case, the original poster starby, is not complaining about this discussion, so perhaps he's happy about it.

perhaps he/she should edit the OP to include 'and anything you feel related/interesting' to cover the future posts, indeed perhaps everyone should include such text in all their OP posts so the Mods dont feel the need to impose their personal view of how a thread is progressing or in what direction it finally takes?.

keeping in mind the original question was "Do NTL have a PVR equivalent of Sky+ ?" the rest being why the question was put, so the thread would have been very short as the answer is ' NTl do not currently supply a PVR thats the equivalent of Sky+', but the mods allowed it to continue anyway, and i assume some readers weather posting or not have learned something interesting because of that?.

Originally Posted by skyblueheroes

Nice. So a Mod ends a thread which is in the middle of some good discussion.

Neil was quoting a humourous series of TV adverts that were screened to support the original launch of the new BMW Mini. Not signalling the thread was about to close.

In fact, re-reading his post, I am at a total loss to understand how you interpreted his post as a signal that he was closing the thread.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by skyblueheroes

Nice. So a Mod ends a thread which is in the middle of some good discussion.

No one has ended the discussion. Neil is entitled to his own opinion, as is everyone on this forum.

Originally Posted by popper

while it not clear that that was the intention of his post,it does appear the mods are becoming far to strict by imposing their personal view that the original poster did not want to encurage 'some good discussion'

it appears in this case, the original poster starby, is not complaining about this discussion, so perhaps he's happy about it.

perhaps he/she should edit the OP to include 'and anything you feel related/interesting' to cover the future posts, indeed perhaps everyone should include such text in all their OP posts so the Mods dont feel the need to impose their personal view of how a thread is progressing or in what direction it finally takes?.

We do have rules that state that a thread should remain on topic. Inevitably, it is often a judgement call whether a thread is on or off topic, That is, logically, a personal view.

The mods only get involved (in a moderating capacity) when a thread starts to wander widely from that subject. We, however, can still post without it being a moderating decision.

Now, any discussion of the style of the moderation on this site is clearly off topic in a thread about NTL's PVR, so if you have any further queries, please PM them.

[popper]

rofl, yes sir, perhaps he will now edit his OP and make it more clear, im not having a go stuart, infact reading some of your own personal POV posts such as on this related thread http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=49628
its clear you understand and would rather have the far better speced NTL AVC STB given the choice
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...tas-mpeg-4-pvr

Originally Posted by Neil

Is it available to every ntl customer in exactly the same way that Sky + (for example) is available to a Sky customer?

Nope - but that is irrelevant Neil - This is not what your statement is about below:

Originally Posted by Neil

ntl have never launched a DTV product to even rival (let alone outshine) Sky's offerings.

They have launched a DTV product to outshine and to a degree, rival Sky's offering's - its called VOD. Every parameter of your statement, is about ntl not having launched anything decent enough to match or rival Sky. Who hasn't got VOD yet is somewhat irrelevant within the confines of your above quoted statement.