08-11-2004, 02:45
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
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Originally Posted by Mick
To be honest, I am pleased at the news - My once 512K priced at £24.99 some 3/4 years ago went from 512K to 600K at no cost - then it went from 600K to 750K at no cost and now with this news its being significantly increased (More than doubled) to 2MB and still for £24.99 per month. I will happily pay £25 admin fee for this. Small price to pay for such a huge difference IMHO.
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I got NTL 512K access back in 2000. It was £19.99, then they increased the price to £24.99 and gave me 600K access. Nice !
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08-11-2004, 03:53
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
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Originally Posted by thephenom
Ah well, can't wait for the official word !  |
Those speeds and limits are the "official" word.
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08-11-2004, 04:02
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
Most families I know would prefer lower prices rather than higher speeds, they donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t do much surfing and they only send the odd E-mail, in actual fact they donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t really need Internet access at all if the truth is known, they probably only got it because they knew someone else with it. They donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t know about warez, mp3ââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s etc. in fact they donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t really understand how to use the Internet or their computer. Going off the number of families I know like this I would assume that these are probably fairly typical users these days as Internet access moves into the mainstream.
Although this type of customer may appear good for business as far as IPâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s are concerned they are never going to be able to persuade them to move to a more expensive service, on the other hand, the more knowledgeable user may use more bandwidth but there is also a good chance that they can be persuaded to pay more for a higher tier service, now or in the future.
It would appear to me that NTL have attempted to cover all the bases with their newly proposed speeds and prices and I would expect them to receive lots of new customers once the flyers start dropping through the letterboxes, which is, after all, the whole point of the changes.
All the friends I have told about the forthcoming changes are green with envy so the NTL strategy is obviously spot on.
Putting things in perspective, the highest speed offered by NTL costs a mere £9 a week, what else could you buy for that money which would give you so much enjoyment? 
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08-11-2004, 04:55
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
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Originally Posted by thephenom
Have to laugh though,
1mbit - 5GB cap
2mbit - 30GB cap
If that happens there are going to be alot of ****ed customers. You can't have a 1mbit connection and have a download limit of 5GB. That's hillarious.
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It seems that the restrictions are to kerb heavy users that use their NTL BB service to download, they do not take into account/are not designed for Family use.
The restrictions are supposidly for the " avarage user"
If a Family of 4-5 people use the internet & use up all their allocated restricted download limit each month they are branded & fall into The heavy user catagory...
but wait NTL will surely have an answer for this...
yes...
NTL will probably send them an email suggesting that The Family change the way they use their NTL BB service & if they cannot do that strongly suggest The Family should move up a tier.. & what happens if they still exceed their usage.. well its possible that NTL will ask them for even more money ontop of their subscription if they dont pay then little Jimmy (even though his dad/mam paid extra money to a different company to legally download files) wont be able to use M$ XbL & download those extra game levels etc... till the month ends.
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08-11-2004, 10:00
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
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Originally Posted by slowcoach
Putting things in perspective, the highest speed offered by NTL costs a mere £9 a week, what else could you buy for that money which would give you so much enjoyment?
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About 15 Thai hookers  lol
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08-11-2004, 10:59
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
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Originally Posted by DrAwesome
It seems that the restrictions are to kerb heavy users that use their NTL BB service to download, they do not take into account/are not designed for Family use.
The restrictions are supposidly for the "avarage user"
If a Family of 4-5 people use the internet & use up all their allocated restricted download limit each month they are branded & fall into The heavy user catagory...
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I don't know what the revised AUP will say, but I am sure the current one says that no more than 3 devices should be connected to the network.
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but wait NTL will surely have an answer for this...
yes...
NTL will probably send them an email suggesting that The Family change the way they use their NTL BB service & if they cannot do that strongly suggest The Family should move up a tier.. & what happens if they still exceed their usage.. well its possible that NTL will ask them for even more money ontop of their subscription if they dont pay then little Jimmy (even though his dad/mam paid extra money to a different company to legally download files) wont be able to use M$ XbL & download those extra game levels etc... till the month ends.
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You appear to be assuming NTL will actively enforce the cap. There is no evidence (at the moment) they will do this. They certainly don't seem to have been enforcing the current cap very actively.
As I said earlier, they may only enforce the new caps in areas where people are getting slow connections, and there are one or two people that are downloading huge amounts each day, That is what they seem to have done with the current cap.
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08-11-2004, 11:08
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
Here's hoping 
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08-11-2004, 11:39
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
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Originally Posted by madcap
About 15 Thai hookers lol |
And less chance of a Sexually Transmitted Disease with NTL broadband! Yay!
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08-11-2004, 11:55
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
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Originally Posted by thephenom
If that happens there are going to be alot of ****ed customers. You can't have a 1mbit connection and have a download limit of 5GB. That's hillarious.
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how's it going to annoy a lot of customers - no one is being forced to change to these new tiers - they will be offered the option for a £25 fee.
A download limit of 5GB for £18 is about what you can expect for that price -it's unrealistic to think you can have both a high speed and a high download limit for £18 a month. Stick with 300k if 5GB is too small.
a)because it would canablise the revenue by offering no incentive to purchase the £25 product and an incentive to downgrade to £18 and
b)no ADSL supplier offers a high speed and a high download limit for that price level.
If you want unlimited GB for under £20 a month you aint gonna find an ADSL supplier offering it unless you opt for 512.
I can see the high volume users being frustrated though - if they dont have the option to purchase more than their allowance of 40GB a month.
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08-11-2004, 12:01
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
Gee. You lot cant half MOAN 
We would use our Monthly Bandwidth up just by reading this Thread... It's the SAME sob story of " I wont be able to download all the DVD's sell at the Market anymore... Please NTL for a extra £5 let us have Unlimited"
NTL offer a GREAT package. (Maybe service is not 100%) but where else can you get the Deal NTL offer??
TV, Phone & B/Band for a Low Cost monthly fee.
SKY & BT & ADSL = Lots more ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£ÃƒÆ ’‚£ then NTL
I use NTL Analouge, Phone & 750kb for a Great price....
Some here will NEVER be happy (even if they had it for next to nothing.)
If this stays the same I am un-subscribing as I cant be bothered to read the same moans every other post. All Topics are covered. Untill NTL give us MORE info. Sit back, enjoy the service & zip up
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08-11-2004, 12:02
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
how's it going to annoy a lot of customers - no one is being forced to change to these new tiers - they will be offered the option for a £25 fee.
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Hmmm-I have to say that I interpret the announcement differently....
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Originally Posted by ntl
These speeds will be rolled out to new customers in first quarter of 2005. Existing customers can upgrade to these new speeds by paying a £25 administration fee.
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Now to me that says that new tiers are coming for everyone. New customers will get them in Q1 2005, & existing customers have the option of jumping the queue & getting them now by paying £25.00 (which sounds fair enough in the world of supply & demand to me  )
But I still read it that the current tiers will change to the new ones, it's just a case of when you want it & when you will get it..... 
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08-11-2004, 12:03
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
I got NTL 512K access back in 2000. It was £19.99, then they increased the price to £24.99 and gave me 600K access. Nice !
I too pay 19.99 for 750k as was on original tariff and was one of those that bought my modem so didn't pay the rent on it. I still pay 19.99 though. Tried to upgrade to 1 Meg sometime ago and they wanted to charge me full whack so told them to stuff it as I didn't want another modem or theretically pay rent on one. Got all my terms and conditions out and everything but they still wouldn't have it.
I'll be sticking to the 750k unless they upgrade me to 2 Meg for 19.99. Can't see that happening.
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08-11-2004, 12:09
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
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Originally Posted by Neil
Now to me that says that new tiers are coming for everyone. New customers will get them in Q1 2005, & existing customers have the option of jumping the queue & getting them now by paying £25.00 (which sounds fair enough in the world of supply & demand to me )
But I still read it that the current tiers will change to the new ones, it's just a case of when you want it & when you will get it..... |
I read it that the old tiers will be phased out - you pay £25 to move 'up' in 2005 or get forced to eventually! if you're forced onto a 5GB month allowance from a 1GB daily allowance then you have the right to moan and it would be pretty shoddy in my opinion. but nothing in that statement you quoted indicates people will be forced.
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08-11-2004, 12:11
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
Does anyone know what the upload speed will be like on the 2mbit connection ?
30kbs?
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08-11-2004, 12:16
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Re: [Now Official] More ntl speed changes
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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
I read it that the old tiers will be phased out - you pay £25 to move 'up' in 2005 or get forced to eventually! if you're forced onto a 5GB month allowance from a 1GB daily allowance then you have the right to moan and it would be pretty shoddy in my opinion. but nothing in that statement you quoted indicates people will be forced.
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I think we're saying the same thing... 
I think that the current tarrifs/caps/guidelines will be replaced by the new tariffs/caps/guidelines.
I just can't see ntl offering the current range of BB tiers and the new ones just announced together.
So I think that peeps will be forced onto the new tariffs with the new caps/guidelines.
Just my take on it though.....
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