[Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election

[Bifta]

Foxnews say's 269 to Bush and 242 to Kerry, weird.

[Plonking]

I may be wrong, but didn't Fox mis-declare the results of the last election? So everyone thought that Bush had won, even though, technically, he hadn't, as all the votes had not been counted? Apparently, that was part of the problem people had in trying to convince america that Bush had actually not won, because they thought it was all over, when in fact it wasn't

lol, I'm still optimistic about this whole thing

Originally Posted by SOSAGES

world does seem to be a little bit safer apart from russia have some nasty issues earlier

Really

I'm sure the people of Madrid would agree with you there, and the family or the Dutch film maker murdered 36 or so hours ago, and Salman Rushtie who is still living under the threat of death, plus the families of the soldiers of the Black Watch in Iraq now based in the American AoR (Area of Responsibility).

[NitroNutter]

Lol 3 hours difference between our posts Gary and Bifta, some more couting has been done, Hence my first post showing poor maths and some jumping the gun going round.

Anyway it is now looking like Bush is in but theres still 3-4 states in the balance, Wisconin or whatever its called isnt 100% confirmed yet but looks like it should be Kerrys the other 3 are leaning towards Bush, Ohio Iowa and New Mexico

Still 254 and 242 but with Wisconin its almost a level game aside from the other last 3 have a tinge more red than blue

The whitehouse is convinced Bush has won.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Lol 3 hours difference between our posts Gary and Bifta, some more couting has been done, Hence my first post showing poor maths and some jumping the gun going round.

Anyway it is now looking like Bush is in but theres still 3-4 states in the balance, Wisconin or whatever its called isnt 100% confirmed yet but looks like it should be Kerrys the other 3 are leaning towards Bush, Ohio Iowa and New Mexico

Still 254 and 242 but with Wisconin its almost a level game aside from the other last 3 have a tinge more red than blue

The whitehouse is convinced Bush has won.

Er .. my post is totally different to your original, you said 249 to Bush, I said Foxnews claimed it's 269 to Bush

[punky]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

It looks to me like the 'sensible' North-East and West coasts have gone for Kerry and the 'cowboys' in the centre and South-East have gone for Dubya. A pretty poor decision by most of small town America IMHO.

In 2000 Fox did call it for Gore like everyone else did, but not many people know that. I am suprised Florida was republican by such a big margin, but Kerry has won WI and NH (by so tight margins), so that is encouraging for him.

Looks like the Kerry team isn't going to quit though until they find some sort of count that makes them the winners.

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by Bifta

Er .. my post is totally different to your original, you said 249 to Bush, I said Foxnews claimed it's 269 to Bush

just pointing out that every hour or 2 it will have changed up to this point, as for foxnews, well we know which side of the fence they sit on, best bet is look at a UK news channel thats less likely to be biased but be taking all the US news calls etc into account.

Anyway for the absolute final desicison we now have to wait and see if theres any real need to count he provisional votes. If not we can expect a final result today of bush winning else it could take a week or 2 to finalise

[SOSAGES]

im not sure i can blame bush for a dead dutch dude and salman rushtie wrote a book that ****ed a lot of people off before bush was in power not a lot to do with him i didnt mention everything bad in the world just what was very recent.. and to me the world seems safer

I just discovered a worst case scenario description http://rantsrefugees.proboards29.com...num=1098466161

[BBKing]

whats up with peoples maths today ?

Bush is ahead on the popular vote by rather a lot, which is why even if there's a debate about individual states a la Florida last time out, he's deserved to win because more people voted for him. I don't like it one bit, but if you think that Gore should have won in 2000 because he got 500,000 more votes than Bush you have to say Bush should win this time because he's about 3.8m votes up.

Bet Osama's happy.

[Russ]

Apparently Blair isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t going to comment until a clear winner is declared †“ sensible I guess, he needs to make sure he kisses the right butt

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Apparently Blair isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t going to comment until a clear winner is declared †“ sensible I guess, he needs to make sure he kisses the right butt

It doesn't matter who wins, Kerry isn't keen on Blair after he refused to support him in the election run up.

[SOSAGES]

Undecided states:

Iowa, New Mexico and Ohio. Bush leads in all states, Ohio being the most important one. There, he leads by ca. 130'000 votes. That's too big a margin for Kery to catch up.
Furthmore: Bush leads the public vote by almost 4 million and managed to get more than 50% (--> mandate)
The Republicans gained in both the house of representatives and the senat

Overal: one of the most successful election nights ever for the republicans and a disaster for the democrats (even Daschle lost his race for senate...)

While I'm no Bush supporter, one has to acknowledge the stunning performance of his campaign team and their tactics (focussing on moral values rather than issues)

[punky]

Originally Posted by Bifta

It doesn't matter who wins, Kerry isn't keen on Blair after he refused to support him in the election run up.

Who needs Blair when you have Kim Jong Il, Hamas, and (allegedly) Al Qaeda supporting you?

I am a bit worried about the whole alliances thing though with Kerry. Kerry seems to want to disenfranchise our current ones, for France and Germany, as if suddenly they'll come in and everything will be alright. Dick Morris (ex-Clinton advisor) said it absolutely rightly. With the WOT you need Pakistan. Pakistan is worth a thousand Frances, with actually fighting the terror where it is. Pakistan has played a crucial role in arresting/killer virtually all the big names in the WOT so far. Bush did well to get them on our side, but I don't think Kerry is going to keep that going?

Originally Posted by SOSAGES

While I'm no Bush supporter, one has to acknowledge the stunning performance of his campaign team and their tactics (focussing on moral values rather than issues)

I think it is the other way around. The democrats had it in the palm of their hands like 9 months ago, but unbelievably managed to screw it up. The nominations fighting, Kerry's flip-flopping, Kerry's past, and the fact that Kerry just hasn't made it clear how he will do all these miraculous things he said he will. That frightens voters. Hatred for Bush has always remained steady, but 9 months, things were so bleak and it never looked like he could win. If it goes to Bush, then he never won, Kerry lost it. (In my view anyways).

[NitroNutter]

Kerry concedes so now the topic stands correct.

[punky]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Kerry concedes so now the topic stands correct.

Yeah, I almost fell off my chair when I read that Kerry conceded. I am glad it is all over and noone can dispute it now (although I don't doubt they will).

After all that bluster, defiance, hype nd buildup... He concedes pretty much without a fight. I suppose the 2% (Ohio) and 5% (Florida) were fairly big margins though.