[Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by Chris T

And let's not forget who it is who's sitting in the Governor's Mansion in Florida ... surely it can't be Jeb Bush, brother of the president?

Why is it that the Bush family reminds me of The Dukes of Hazzard?

Care to elaborate on what this statement is implying ?

No im in no way pro bush just as im not really pro Tony B.Lair

How ever I really do not think Kerry would be a strong leader, In fact in my own personal opinion if Kerry was sent a video from alquaeda (Osama going "BOO")
He would run and hide under his bed

[punky]

Just to elaborate a bit, because my last post wasn't very clear. Those people, when they scrutinise Moore, they include what Moore produced, in its context, and then produces the rebuttal. So by reading those sites, you are effectively reading/watching Moore, without having to make him rich in the process.

Jeb Bush also, is nothing like his brother. I was actually a bit disappointed the other day when he ruled himself out of running for president in 2008, as I think he'd make a good one. He seems like a nice guy, just has the misfortune to have a crappy family. Even one of my very liberal friends, to my amazement, agreed with me there.

Actually Jeb Bush really doesn't have a lot of luck with relations. His daughter is a ex-convict drug addict and his wife is a shop-a-holic who tried to get round customs (all fairness, we all do, she just got caught). You have to feel sorry for him.

[punky]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...r/road_to270_1

Why don't they just save us all a lot of hassle and tosds for it. The EC is tied, the margin of error in polls is larger than the difference in percentage points.

[punky]

Well, well, well....

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...92807c.html#68

Re-enforces my belief, that it isn't just the republicans that are scheming, the democrats have always been just as bad, or as it is looking now, worse. I think in reality though it is impossible to have a voter registration system that is 100% accurate and foolproof, or even close. People have said on here, that a brand new, re-designed from the ground up, ID card system with an almost unlimited budget and the latest technology won't be fool proof enough to succeed, so what chance does the conventional voting system stand? Making life harder is that each state is almost like a country in its own right (for good reasons), and so that intercooperation makes it even more difficult. Apparently both sides are already preparing lawyers for an appeals process (thanx Gore for that precedent). With the polls tighter than ever (and given Bush occaisonal 1 and 2 point leads with a 4 point margin of error, I can't see this presidency being decided very soon at all.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by punky

Apparently both sides are already preparing lawyers for an appeals process (thanx Gore for that precedent).

LOL, yeah. I think the Democrats alone have a team consisting of thousands of lawyers, ready to contest results

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=186540&page=1

Originally Posted by punky

With the polls tighter than ever (and given Bush occaisonal 1 and 2 point leads with a 4 point margin of error, I can't see this presidency being decided very soon at all.

I agree. No matter the initial result, with things being so close, & with the memories of Florida 2000 in their minds, I think both sides will be fighting in the courts long after Tuesday....

I dont think its fair to blame gore

Remember how many people got kkicked off the electoral roles, manily african-americans who overwealming vote Democrate

[punky]

Originally Posted by Damien

I dont think its fair to blame gore

Remember how many people got kkicked off the electoral roles, manily african-americans who overwealming vote Democrate

Yeah, then figure the amount of republican votes were cost in the very republican Florida panhandle with that early call for Gore. I don't blame Gore though (although I thought the way he tried to petition the supreme court to recount the votes in all senarios that he thought he'd win under, was wrong).

I have just seen "Panorama" (well missed a bit of the begining and a couple of mins of the middle), but it seems like BBC's campaign against the republicans is progressing nicely. Balanced? it was abusurdly one sided. The only two sentenced which balanced it out (where it conceded that Bush won fairly, and that had these phantom votes counted it still would not have conclusively called Gore president, with the fact that the democrats are upto skullduggery themselves) were so quickly and quietly ushered, I almost coughed and missed them. Along with "Abusurd conspiracy theories and inane ramblings backed with clips of B and C line horror movies", sorry I meant "The Power Of Nightmares", their campaign of 'fair and balanced' broadcasting. It is largely harmless with regards to the election, but is trying to push the already high worldwide hatred against America (Or rather the American right) that bit higher.

I am not trying to campaign for support for Bush or anything (I'd probably vote for Kerry because of my views on gays, abortion, etc, although I hate them both), but a bit of fairness wouldn't go amiss.

I think the bbc is very fair, anyway when it comes to bias bbc news has to be treated diffrently from bbc entertainment

I didnt see how the bbc was against republicans in that they did give both sides

Also the ppower of nightmeres is a study of fear which is an issue and you cant expect the bbc not to air it because it looks bad on the americans. Fear is powerful and is a big issue in the election.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think the bbc is very fair, anyway when it comes to bias bbc news has to be treated diffrently from bbc entertainment

I didnt see how the bbc was against republicans in that they did give both sides

I think the BBC is fair at times, don't get me wrong, but times like this, it is way out of balance. I don't think the republicans were given a fair chance to respond. Especially with the way the commentator lead the broadcast. Panorama was never supposed to be fair to them. Along with the odd things here and there, like finding two old rednecks in a bar and let them make a fool of themselves, then find some smart democrats and let them shine. BBC News didn't mention this which I think is rather serious, and therefore newsworthy.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Damien

I dont think its fair to blame gore

Remember how many people got kkicked off the electoral roles, manily african-americans who overwealming vote Democrate

All of whom had the chance to have their names put back on the electrol role if they wanted to vote.
A lot of counties ignored the list because of the problems and therefore more criminals (who allegedly vote dem) were able to vote when they shouldn't have been.
Using all the main counting techniques the republicans still won in 2004.
You can bitch and moan and cry foul as much as you like but it doesn't change the fact they got more votes.
No I don't like it either, but it's their electoral system, and until they vote to change it, nothing can be done.


The BBC is far from impartial on most of their reporting.
Just look how they depict the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
In the BBC world view, Gazza and the west bank are Palestine, rather than part of Egypt and Jordan.

Or reporting on Iraq, when did the BBC last run positive reports on how it's being rebuilt?

[punky]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

All of whom had the chance to have their names put back on the electrol role if they wanted to vote.
A lot of counties ignored the list because of the problems and therefore more criminals (who allegedly vote dem) were able to vote when they shouldn't have been.
Using all the main counting techniques the republicans still won in 2004.
You can bitch and moan and cry foul as much as you like but it doesn't change the fact they got more votes.
No I don't like it either, but it's their electoral system, and until they vote to change it, nothing can be done.


The BBC is far from impartial on most of their reporting.
Just look how they depict the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
In the BBC world view, Gazza and the west bank are Palestine, rather than part of Egypt and Jordan.

Or reporting on Iraq, when did the BBC last run positive reports on how it's being rebuilt?

I thought it was a good post and repped you before the edit, but the edit made it even better. Incidently, the last time the BBC mentioned any positive reconstuction in Iraq is when al-Zarawi and his mates blew up a brand new water plant and killed a load of Iraqis (I think it was the same day that the bombed a children's school bus?)

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by punky

I thought it was a good post and repped you before the edit, but the edit made it even better. Incidently, the last time the BBC mentioned any positive reconstuction in Iraq is when al-Zarawi and his mates blew up a brand new water plant and killed a load of Iraqis (I think it was the same day that the bombed a children's school bus?)

Thanks for that punky

[SOSAGES]

kerry looks to me like someone u will see on 24/alias/west wing - the shifty looking one whos always up to something nasty and in it for his own ..also from what ive heard he does just seem to say what the people want to hear if it wasnt for the war in iraq he wouldnt have a lot to say ..and it seems not everyone is against the war its just u constantly read stuff as it seems fashionable to bash bush (ooerr)

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The BBC is far from impartial on most of their reporting.
Just look how they depict the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
In the BBC world view, Gazza and the west bank are Palestine, rather than part of Egypt and Jordan.

Or reporting on Iraq, when did the BBC last run positive reports on how it's being rebuilt?

If you look back on some of the old maps you'll find that Palestine covered Israel and many of the countries on its borders.

When Palestine was broken down into today's constituent countries e.g. Israel, Syria , Jordan etc. every Palestinian had a home in one of those countries.

The problem has always been the Arab-Israeli conflict. If the Arabs left the Israelis alone and respected their borders, Israel would be free to do the same.

The difficulty now is that we are in a cycle of retaliation between the two groups and neither side is strong enough to break the cycle for fear of appearing weak.

There was uprest in that part of the world at the time when Jesus was born and the way things are going the problem will still exist in another two thousand years.

[punky]

Originally Posted by SOSAGES

also from what ive heard he does just seem to say what the people want to hear

That is very true. People are only voting for him because they hate Bush, not because he would make a good president. A couple of sites to show what I mean:

http://johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/

http://www.kerryoniraq.com/ (And watch Kerry On Iraq videos)