[Now Official] More ntl speed changes

[Florence]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Many people are also working long hours because the housing market is so over inflated.

Anyway, 18 quid a month isn't that much. Still a luxury though, but so were mobile phones ten years ago (and they're often way over 18 quid a month).

We are constantly taking them of 8 - 9yr olds and these are contract phones their parents have got for their presents.

Sad thing is most are better phones than mine..

[ian@huth]

I don't know how NitroNutter gets the idea that internet connection is taking up a larger percentage of income than it used to. You should have seen my phone bills some 10 to 15 years ago.

The one thing that many people forget about speed increases is the obvious fact that it cuts down the time needed to transfer data. Most users will only do the same things that they are now doing when they get increased speeds so will only have the possibility of affecting others usage for a shorter length of time. Increasing speeds can have the effect of reducing congestionif users only do the same as they used to do and do not try to max out their connections. Maybe heavy 24/7 downloaders should all be put on the same UBR channel away from everyone else so they largely only affect each other.

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by Kits

We are constantly taking them of 8 - 9yr olds and these are contract phones their parents have got for their presents.

Sad thing is most are better phones than mine..

I laugh when the mobile salesmen ring us and say "we can save you lots of money on your mobile" they go on to ask what type of phone we have and how much do we use every month. they run very quick when we tell them well my wife uses about £10 every 6-12 months and i use £5 in about the same period.

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

I don't know how NitroNutter gets the idea that internet connection is taking up a larger percentage of income than it used to. You should have seen my phone bills some 10 to 15 years ago.

The one thing that many people forget about speed increases is the obvious fact that it cuts down the time needed to transfer data. Most users will only do the same things that they are now doing when they get increased speeds so will only have the possibility of affecting others usage for a shorter length of time. Increasing speeds can have the effect of reducing congestionif users only do the same as they used to do and do not try to max out their connections. Maybe heavy 24/7 downloaders should all be put on the same UBR channel away from everyone else so they largely only affect each other.

Uh you got the context incorrect somewhere I think.
I compared todays communication packages with that of 20 years ago.

As for internet 10-15 years ago we are looking at 386 - 486 PC's and in the majority most houses didnt own such a thing. At that time the transitonal change from BT gold if I remember correctly to real internet was occuring and to the few who even had a PC iv no doubt it was very expensive. The general trend in technology is that prices fall and fall until replaced by supposedly better technology.and the cycle starts again often at a lower introduced price than its predecessor.
Taking Internet alone it started out very dear, out of reach to most dropped to almost free then came BB that started at a reasonable cost, Cable has done nothing but increase those fees and impose restrictions. when ADSl and cable BB first started Cable was the sure winner price wise and in terms of service, today the shoe is on the other foot, for sure in the terms of price and speed and possible service aswell.

[ian@huth]

At the start of internet usage in the home there was no reason to cap or limit usage as there were far less users than the eqipment was designed to handle. As more and more users came on line their usage started to affect the service of others to such an extent that restrictions had to start being applied. People complain quite regularly about poor service levels but seem to forget that they don't have 1:1 contention and at peak times they could expect a possible lowering of speed.

Comparing entertainment packages of 20 years ago against today is the same as comparing apples with oranges. You could not get anything like an equivalent package 20 years ago.

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

At the start of internet usage in the home there was no reason to cap or limit usage as there were far less users than the eqipment was designed to handle. As more and more users came on line their usage started to affect the service of others to such an extent that restrictions had to start being applied. People complain quite regularly about poor service levels but seem to forget that they don't have 1:1 contention and at peak times they could expect a possible lowering of speed.

Comparing entertainment packages of 20 years ago against today is the same as comparing apples with oranges. You could not get anything like an equivalent package 20 years ago.

There still is depending on how you read it absolutely no need to restrict the service, you yourself in a post above and NTL themselves have admitted as such. Or are you saying all the current backbones etc is actually the very same hardware that the few on dial up was using at the start.

Comparing apples and oranges is totally wrong
Today all we have extra over 20 years ago is the internet which is just another medium acting as a data carrier, for many it comes through the phone line
okay we have more channels but too boot we have at least as many times more repeats than we have extra channels so no real difference there. A phone is just that a phone.

Originally Posted by ianathuth

I don't know how NitroNutter gets the idea that internet connection is taking up a larger percentage of income than it used to. You should have seen my phone bills some 10 to 15 years ago.

The one thing that many people forget about speed increases is the obvious fact that it cuts down the time needed to transfer data. Most users will only do the same things that they are now doing when they get increased speeds so will only have the possibility of affecting others usage for a shorter length of time. Increasing speeds can have the effect of reducing congestionif users only do the same as they used to do and do not try to max out their connections. Maybe heavy 24/7 downloaders should all be put on the same UBR channel away from everyone else so they largely only affect each other.

I remember buying a pc within the last 15 years, that had a 'penny a minute' rate, dialup connection, after 6pm, that was considered to be fairly competitive - working out an hour a day, (60p), for a month (60p times 365 divide by 12) = £18.25 per month.

Then work out the cost for the data transfer, (assuming 5KB/s) 1 minute = 60 times 5 = 300KB/penny

so £18.25 would buy 5475500KB - about 1/2 a gig, a month

- I liked the idea that the people who want to download the whole internet, at least twice, every night, should have their own 'channel' - nice one

[BBKing]

Today all we have extra over 20 years ago is the internet

A pretty big 'all', considering its the first new two-way communications system since the telephone.

Yes, technology comes down in price, but we're also in a market and one where demand for permanent-on internet services is currently high and steady, which isn't going to bring down prices any time soon (particularly as you have to invest to meet the demand, and that isn't cheap for anyone). Remember when dial-up started saturating, prices plunged (and a lot of dodgy business models appeared briefly).

[Teccie]

3Mb shouldnt cost any more than £50 with £40 for 2Mb means the others services will need looking at

I like the rumours about the suspected "merger" with telewest - hopefully that will bring about a further price reduction for all cable users and maybe improved speeds and services throughout the company, including phone, tv and broadband.

Only time will tell

[kronas]

the problem is its all idle speculation, i think we all need to see some concrete evidence before making wild accusations and speculation as to what will happen in the near future, i just dont think NTL will upgrade speeds yet, because of VOD and bandwidth costs also the network tweaks needed to introduce the tiers coupled with billing etc, i know NTL are changing systems at the moment, but nothing is being seen of whether we will see faster connections anytime soon.

i suppose you can live in hope

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

You only go to work because you can then afford the internet ?
unfortuantly for many they are working far too many hours to be able to really consider the internet and some could still barely afford it anyway. theres still a large chunk of the population on well below the average wage that either cant afford the luxury or have the time left for it.

Many staff are still over demanded by their employers but cant do nothing about it for fear of losing what little they have

Nope, I get my internet free thanks

Considering how much it used to cost to spend 10 minutes on the phone to someone down the road modern Internet is really cheap.

You sound like you need a new job dude, my employer does demand a fair bit from me, however at the same time I'm paid 'reasonably' for what I do. IF your employer is shafting you that badly time to look elsewhere methinks.

Though that's another thread entirely.....

[Rik]

Originally Posted by Paul M

No mention has been made of upload speeds, but it seems reasonable to assume that if 3mbps download is offered then the upload is likely to be higher than 256k (400k maybe ?).

I would be very suprised if there are any upload speed increases.

3Meg download speeds would be very nice tho
Ill take it!
£50 Per Month sounds good!

Ooh suits you sir!!
Yes it does

[Florence]

All this speculation and putting prices to the product will not help. You are saying you will pay £50 for 3mg what if telewest reduce their 3 mg before NTL decide to start 3mg then you will be moaning its cheaper with Telewest.

The best way is to just watch out for NTL to officially release this information with prices then you can all get your hair off at what is offered.

[etccarmageddon]

http://www.ntl.com/mediacentre/press/display.asp?id=749

NTL have just changed their business broadband products speeds to match the residential versions.

750k for £25 a month or 1.5m for £35

This would suggest that the residential product could be in line for a price revision followed by a 2m product for £40 and a 3m product for £50 perhaps.

[Chrysalis]

I read a pdf document released by ntl about their LLU expansion plans and 3mbit was mentioned as a internet package, I would only assume the tier would be introduced on the cable modem network as well.