[Now Official] More ntl speed changes

Originally Posted by altis

Good to see that NTL are actively developing their product.

Pity though that there is more to speed than the headline figure. I've noticed that browsing on a 512kbps 20:1 ADSL line is constently brisker than on my 750kbps cable connection.

Then we need to look at your connection as i am on the same node as you and my connection flys.

Originally Posted by jtwn

2mb looks nice, 3mb will probably too costly, in line with blueyonder. The prospect of higher upload speeds will be amazing, but considering (afaik) practically no residential connection (only bulldog in london?) has an upload >256k i can't see why ntl would change this. I hope so much they do though FTP is so lame with 256k upload.

As it says, the upload has not been mentioned, so this may not change. It would be nice if it did though (for the higher speeds). There is more upload capacity to play with because of the better cards they are now using.

[Florence]

maybe we should all wait for this its no use speculating now and the more members go on about it the more this information gets blown all out of proportion.


Sit back and wait..

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Kits

maybe we should all wait for this its no use speculating now and the more members go on about it the more this information gets blown all out of proportion.


Sit back and wait..

Very sensible, because if it doesn't turn out to be true (and judging by past experience on this board), ntl will still get all the stick...

Originally Posted by orangebird

Very sensible, because if it doesn't turn out to be true

I do not think Paul would of posted this if it wasn't true.

[Hell's Child]

Afternoon all,

I have ben away for a while as training straff is more time consuming that you might think!!!

Fortunatally it's systems training today so Whilst they complete exercise 23 I thought I'd come and say hello!!

I have sent a mail this morning to a mate who writes training process' for new implimentations..... he always gets wind of things that are happening so as soon as he comes back to me I will let you know.

Also are you aware ntl is going to start trialing VOB (voice over broadband) mid next year... for those that don't know the long term aim is to do away with telephones and use your sole broadband connection as your connection with reality. BT are worried with the technology that ntl has managed to pick up that they will loose a large majority of their customers.

It is being trialed in France at the moment by Wanadoo, but like I say the ability to do it over BT lines will still require the use of a BT phone (which negates the benefit) Given that the bandwidth is already being used it would effectivly cut the cost for telco and Broadband!!!

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Mick

I do not think Paul would of posted this if it wasn't true.

That's not really the point I was making Mick. Products fail, trials don't go according to plan etc... People get all wound up about rumours that aren't ntl backed, and then give ntl crap if the rumours don't become fact.....

[Rone]

I,m going over to Nildram for adsl, and of course BT, my NTL cable [and phone] have been great for everything except gaming, my main internet requirement.
Again i dont really care about the speeds, its the quality of line i'm more interested in. Apart from a little downtime, and hiccups after the speed increase, its been good and the help here , pretty damn good to.
It would be nice if NTL got back to the front again, i really thought cable would be the final answer against adsl, maybe it will be, but not this year.

[ntlgood1]

Originally Posted by Hell's Child

Also are you aware ntl is going to start trialing VOB (voice over broadband) mid next year...

Dont they called it VOIP (Voice Over IP)

[Saneboy13]

Ntlgood you are right. It's called VoIP, not VOB. VoIP is already in use up in Scotland (only on Business), but there is no news of it being used anywhere else.

As for modem speeds being upgraded, I would be very surprised of a move in that direction, as NTL are more interested in getting VOD sorted out. Besides that fact, we would not be able to support the bandwidth at this point in time. Maybe when they start switching off the old Analogue system, then it will be more feesible

[Hell's Child]

Originally Posted by Saneboy13

Ntlgood you are right. It's called VoIP, not VOB. VoIP is already in use up in Scotland (only on Business), but there is no news of it being used anywhere else.

As for modem speeds being upgraded, I would be very surprised of a move in that direction, as NTL are more interested in getting VOD sorted out. Besides that fact, we would not be able to support the bandwidth at this point in time. Maybe when they start switching off the old Analogue system, then it will be more feesible

VOD is being trialed startin Jan 05 so I am told..... we have the equipment etc but need to make sure it doesn't create any probs 1st....

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

So big boy AOL with a huge advertising campaign of no limits being its primary advert base is really just a ruse, a quick customer grab then they really intend to impose capping ? bit outragous these large companies are permitted to lie so blatantly like that if thats the case.
Euro providers are entering the country too enhancing the adsl competition even further. All offering uncapped or multi level capped or premium uncapped. The bandwidth game is indeed a huge international rip off thats going about atm.
Anyway even by .au standards today the NTL 1 GB cap is archaic to say the least
800k 768k ? at that level 32k is a bit of a hair split, but still specualtion and rumours are fun
As for the sadness, I doubt it currently we are capped by speed, in the future we will surely be metered and capped by most providers but the caps will be decent and so will the lines. Dont make the future sound so bleak when really it doesnt have to be.

PS: my line is with BT but my internet most definately has nothing to do with them past my exchange.

Doesn't the fact that AOL are making such a selling point of being uncapped say something though?

30GB/month is hardly archaic compared to Australian providers, not to mention ntl aren't charging per MB over this level unlike most Aussie providers.

Euro providers? Well Wanadoo are a subsidiary of France Telecom, and are capping.

Your ADSL is probably still quite a bit to do with BT past your exchange, your service provider is paying BT for carrying the traffic from your exchange to either an interconnect with them, or across the BT network to a central point to interconnect with loads of other exchanges then to the ISP.

Only unbundled providers don't pay BT to carry traffic from the exchange, and even then they kind of do, as BT supply the backhaul fibre just at a fixed and more competitive rate than Option 3/4 prices as it's a dedicated link with no BT kit either end.

I'm not making the future sound bleaker than it is, just being realistic, the UK is very touchy as far as seeing contention goes and the 15 - 25:1 connections at low prices can't really go on for ever, nor can ISPs and other users subsidising people who are treating their connections as a 3:1 or better line.

It takes a lot of light users to balance out a user like that.

EDIT: People praise Japan over their 100Mbit connections - the bit people forget is that these guys rarely see over 2Mbit as soon as they get outside Japan. Fancy 10Mbit with 512k performance to the states? 1Mbit with 56k modem performance outside the UK?

The crunch point to Japanese ISPs is just deeper down the network. Maxing network at any point is bad, packet loss and high ping city. Limits are sadly an essential part of controlling network use, especially now as the gulf between light users and heavy users grows ever wider.

Check out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cogeco - a Canadian cableco offering 5Mbit down, 640k up, with a 15GB combined cap, or 10Mbit down, 1Mbit up with a 30GB combined cap.

Anyway I'm turning this into a capping thread, which it isn't.

FWIW I'm not aware of this story but I hope it's true, would be cool.

[Saneboy13]

Originally Posted by Hell's Child

VOD is being trialed startin Jan 05 so I am told..... we have the equipment etc but need to make sure it doesn't create any probs 1st....

Yes VOD is being trialed from Jan'05, but that still means that we are going to be concentrating on VOD. My point was that looking about upgrading modem speeds was a non starter due to the VOD stuff. Couple that with the bandwidth restrictions on the system at present, hence a no go on modem speed increase...

[NitroNutter]

Well if they want VOB or VOIP to take off along with other premium services, ie the media streaming as well as all the regualr benefits of the internet, the open source software, all the flash games and abandonware etc etc. something has to be done about not just the speed but the cap as well. Or are we going back to stoneage comm GB where we are going to be metered again for talking, having just got us used to talking for as long as we like as long as we watch the clock.
I guess that really would be a top notch ruse and rip off looming

If Ignition is correct in ALL he says expect your communication and entertainment packages to be costing you big time in the near future.
It allready is now compared to 20 years ago the telco and licencing is taking a wacking approx 1:25 of you annual income if your on about 30K a year and you have all the packages compared to approximately a 1:52 from your annual income in the early 80's. This is before anyone buys into any extra premium services like front row or box office and extra BB premium services that on NTL you cannot use because of the CAPs.
The last thing the telco's can afford to do is price their products out of the market place, which is slowly being done, vast amounts of people cannot afford some digital subscriber services now. Keep up with the current trend of restrictions and prcice hikes, telephone BB and TV will again become for the rich only, about 10-20% or so of the country will only be able to afford the services.

I mean to say, many Industries including local and national government are currently considering huge pay cuts possibly arround 20% so wheres yer NTL and BT money gonna come from ? that will make it about 1:20 of your annual income to telco's and associated licencing. and if the current trend of price hiking is followed and introducing metering again on their services we could be looking at as much as 1:10 in the next decade to telco's, by the time youve paid your income taxes and NI and the extra pension contributions you now need to make and pay for all this communication and visual entertainment you may be lucky if you can eat at christmas, and when i say christamas I mean JUST christmas.

To sum it up
So if all this digital content which is based on technoligy and is with the trends of all technoligy supposed to get cheeper as time goes on then somethign is seriously wrong in the BB and satelite and phone industry because it isnt getting cheeper its getting dearer and more restricted.

[Florence]

I can see this is going way off in all directions but no guarentee as to which is correct.. Why speculate patience pays off just sit back enjoy what you have and if ever whats been posted happens it will be a bonus.

I am sitting back and waiting.