have you had religious experiances - Page 11

Lord Nikon · 01-08-2003, 02:49

And scriptures were written by people who were potentially corrupt.....

Belief is a personal thing, it exists in the individual concerned, and there alone is it pure.

If it is written down and handed on then over time it can lose that purity as it is rewritten to be understood by the people it is then given to.

Scriptures are also written by people, and the content may have altered over time.

Let your belief remain in you, where it is pure, where it cannot be contaminated by human nature.

Russ · 01-08-2003, 02:51

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Sorry if I misunderstood but I thought you said this was as we were given freewill this is how they die and he does not intervine, well god, what with him being the big man and all that, could stop this childs death, or adleast let them die with no pain and hurt, but he doesn't.

He gives us the choice to either listen to Him or satan. Like in the cartoons where you see an angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other? In a humorous kind of way, that's not far off the truth.

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oh...i see so you have never seen it for yourself or even questioned someone in the church about this ?

As some of the scriptures were written more than 2000 years ago then I'd say it would be pretty difficult....but yes, we have discussed it in Bible study.

darkangel · 01-08-2003, 02:51

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Well seeing as we have neither priests or bishops in my denomination then I couldn't answer that. [/B]

that's why i added the etc would cell leader be a better choice or have i got the wrong religion?

Russ · 01-08-2003, 02:52

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Originally posted by Lord Nikon
And scriptures were written by people who were potentially corrupt.....

Belief is a personal thing, it exists in the individual concerned, and there alone is it pure.

If it is written down and handed on then over time it can lose that purity as it is rewritten to be understood by the people it is then given to.

Scriptures are also written by people, and the content may have altered over time.

Let your belief remain in you, where it is pure, where it cannot be contaminated by human nature.

But all that pales in to insignificance when you see similar accounts popping up in other journals and letters written around that time which weren't connected with the Bible.

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that's why i added the etc would cell leader be a better choice or have i got the wrong religion?

We have a Pastor and the financial books for our church are open for anyone to see at any time.

kronas · 01-08-2003, 02:54

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He gives us the choice to either listen to Him or satan. Like in the cartoons where you see an angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other? In a humorous kind of way, that's not far off the truth.

i dont actually think those people in precarious situations chose where they want to be they are unfortunate to be caught up in those areas which are poverty stricken

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As some of the scriptures were written more than 200 years ago then I'd say it would be pretty difficult....but yes, we have discussed it in Bible study.

so your going on something somebody told you or cant read

imback · 01-08-2003, 02:54

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He gives us the choice to either listen to Him or satan. Like in the cartoons where you see an angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other? In a humorous kind of way, that's not far off the truth.
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I know what you mean mate, but that child has never been given a choice have they, so someone completely innocent dies.

Russ · 01-08-2003, 02:56

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I know what you mean mate, but that child has never been given a choice have they, so someone completely innocent dies.

That only seems unfair when you look at it in human terms - but the whole heavenly realm is not on human terms! That child may go on to something 1000 times more peaceful, happy and loving that what they had on earth.

edit - it's almost 2am...I'm glad I'm on paternity leave!!! talking of which, I'm sure I left a baby around here somewhere...

KingPhoenix · 01-08-2003, 02:59

im an atheist (i think thats how you spell it)

believe uin god to a degree....

I,e., if he has so much power why cant he stop evil? and war?????

I belive god brings alll your happiness when he chooses (not yours choice) when he has finnishes other jobs.....

imback · 01-08-2003, 03:00

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That only seems unfair when you look at it in human terms - but the whole heavenly realm is not on human terms! That child may go on to something 1000 times more peaceful, happy and loving that what they had on earth.

So that makes the suffering of the child and their family OK ?

I'm sorry I have been through enough in my life to come to the conclusion that either a) God does not exist or b) he hates me more than he does satan

Russ · 01-08-2003, 03:00

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I,e., if he has so much power why cant he stop evil? and war?????

...aaaaand how many times have I answered that tonight????

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So that makes the suffering of the child and their family OK ?

Come on, I never said that.

darkangel · 01-08-2003, 03:01

think it's about time for russ to get some sleep or is it feeding time yet

a couple of question.
if your daughter was about to be run over would you let it happen?
if u didn't how would u know if your where going against gods will or fighting Satan, i can all but guarantee if it can down to it you would chose your child over your beliefs

kronas · 01-08-2003, 03:01

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...aaaaand how many times have I answered that tonight????

way too many

well im off

cya all later

goodnight all..................russ

imback · 01-08-2003, 03:02

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Come on, I never said that. [/B]

I know mate, so then justify to me why "god" did not stop it then.

Russ · 01-08-2003, 03:04

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if your daughter was about to be run over would you let it happen?

What a daft question of course I wouldn't.

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if u didn't how would u know if your where going against gods will or fighting Satan, i can all but guarantee if it can down to it you would chose your child over your beliefs

You're not making too much sense there but if I read you correctly, God will not take a life that way, and some advice for you, do not pressume to know me and my relationship with God.

You've done it a few times tonight and been wrong each time.

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I know mate, so then justify to me why "god" did not stop it then

(sigh) I don't know. I don't have all the answers but what I DO know is that it is not His will to cause pain or harm to an innocent.

Lord Nikon · 01-08-2003, 03:07

My thoughts drift at this point to Atlantis.
On all accounts Atlanteans were a highly developed race with incredibly advanced technology, and this information occurs in many places around the world.
Beyond this there is the existance of UFOs, could it not be HYPOTHETICALLY possible that the being percieved as Jesus was someone who posessed advanced technology? We can cure many diseases now that 2000 years ago would have killed, using such technology to cure those diseases would be percieved as miracles.

Now, I am not saying that this is the truth, as we have no way to say for certain, I am however saying that as accounts are passed down through the millenia that those accounts, in the hands of men and women who themselves may be corrupt, that those could be changed. It is all down to what each of us, as individuals believe.

Reading the bible you can easily interpret some parts as referring to extraterrestrial existance though....

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Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against

the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the

spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

heavenly realms has always referred historically to the stars, could they not be percieved as a warning that while good exists beyond this, our planet, there is also evil there?