have you had religious experiances - Page 9

kronas · 01-08-2003, 02:16

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Originally posted by Russ D
You really think so? To me it's just gone the same way as all the rest.

well we cant please everyone

EDIT just seen the link and that site was harmless BS the fact it looked so fictitious and had so much crap written on it makes me think why was it pulled in the first place because it was satan russ ?

peterska2 · 01-08-2003, 02:18

Right well I have been put for the evening as I have been busy building my new PC but TBH I am disgusted with the fact that I have just read through an argument where even after being asked nicely not to call people beliefs BS that Kronas has continued to do so. Even when Andre came in and asked that this did not happen Kronas still continued to go on about it. Russ requested that Kronas goes away and sets his own site up to do that on. Kronas is still here going on about it. I find the fact that he has the nerve to call the Christian faith BS and then carry on going on about it very offensive as IMO this is a personal attack as to by strong beliefs. I know that it is not a personal atteck but IMO it is as I have made no secret of the fact that I am a Christian.

For those who say that they do not beleive in things that they cannot see - Do you beleive that the wind exists? Last time I looked I couldn't see it yet I could feel its power and witness it's effects. The same applies with God. You cannot see Him but you can feel His power and whether you like it or not you can see the effect that He has on those who believe in Him.

kronas · 01-08-2003, 02:20

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Originally posted by peterska2
Right well I have been put for the evening as I have been busy building my new PC but TBH I am disgusted with the fact that I have just read through an argument where even after being asked nicely not to call people beliefs BS that Kronas has continued to do so. Even when Andre came in and asked that this did not happen Kronas still continued to go on about it. Russ requested that Kronas goes away and sets his own site up to do that on. Kronas is still here going on about it. I find the fact that he has the nerve to call the Christian faith BS and then carry on going on about it very offensive as IMO this is a personal attack as to by strong beliefs. I know that it is not a personal atteck but IMO it is as I have made no secret of the fact that I am a Christian.

how can it be a personal attack i merely aimed it at the whole system of religion/belief

imback · 01-08-2003, 02:20

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Originally posted by Russ D

No he won't post it, but he can PM it to you

Sorry Russ that is what I meant to post but well maybe had one to many bottles of wine after all night in tech support.

Russ · 01-08-2003, 02:20

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Originally posted by kronas
EDIT just seen the link and that site was harmless BS the fact it looked so fictitious and had so much crap written on it makes me think why was it pulled in the first place because it was satan russ ?

Trying to bait me eh Kronas? Won't work.

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For those who say that they do not beleive in things that they cannot see - Do you beleive that the wind exists? Last time I looked I couldn't see it yet I could feel its power and witness it's effects. The same applies with God. You cannot see Him but you can feel His power and whether you like it or not you can see the effect that He has on those who believe in Him.

Just leave them - if they want to believe then they are free to do so: ditto if they choose not to.

kronas · 01-08-2003, 02:21

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Originally posted by Russ D
Trying to bait me eh Kronas? Won't work.

im not baiting russ bad choice of words on my part there i have never baited you with that type of intent just discussing debating are we still freinds :p

Russ · 01-08-2003, 02:22

STILL friends??

Lord Nikon · 01-08-2003, 02:22

Ok, Time for me to voice my opinion.

It can be said that there is no proof that God Exists, though Equally it can be said that there is no proof that he DOESN'T exist.

Christianity spent its early years in Britain denouncing the pagan religions as witchcraft, True Pagan religion worshipped the Earth and all animals and plants on it.

Muslim faiths are often denounced saying that they lead to mutilation etc.

Most people who are critical of religion do not understand the true intent.

Religious books were written by those in "power" within the religion

At the end of the day though, the history of any event is written by the victor, and is unlikely to be unbiased. Organised religion of any faith was originally used as a form of control of the masses.

I have no problem with anyone's beliefs no matter what form they may take, as long as they do not try to impose those beliefs on others, and that includes children.

If a parent wishes their child to follow a particular religion then they should educate the child on multiple religions and allow them to make the choice themselves when they are old enough to do so of their own will. If there IS a god, of whatever denomination I am sure he would not appreciate people who follow him blindly through being "brainwashed" into it without making the conscious choice to do so because that IS what they believe in.

We have freedom to choose what we want, Let us use it. Let religion be a PERSONAL thing, and not something imposed on us.

Humans are a greedy people on the whole, and organised religion contains aspects of that greed. You go to church, you place money in a collection plate... why? god being an omnipotent omniscient entity has no personal use for it. Priests use it to maintain the church, why do they not seek other methods of income? The bible states "blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth" How meek are the priests to relieve their congregation of finances they have worked hard to obtain?

As far as I am aware at no point in any religious guide does it state "You should pay me to worship me, and those who speak for me or claim to, should expect this reward in return for talking to you" Yet we pay, why? because we have been conditioned to do so.

Organised religion corrupts that which was meant to be pure, If you are religious then do so within yourself. Through that alone is it pure.

If you try to convince someone else to become religious without them asking you to explain the belief, then you are corrupting that belief in your own actions.

kronas · 01-08-2003, 02:22

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Originally posted by Russ D
STILL friends??

you know what i mean dont want bad blood and all that :p

darkangel · 01-08-2003, 02:23

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Originally posted by peterska2
Right well I have been put for the evening as I have been busy building my new PC but TBH I am disgusted with the fact that I have just read through an argument where even after being asked nicely not to call people beliefs BS that Kronas has continued to do so. Even when Andre came in and asked that this did not happen Kronas still continued to go on about it. Russ requested that Kronas goes away and sets his own site up to do that on. Kronas is still here going on about it. I find the fact that he has the nerve to call the Christian faith BS and then carry on going on about it very offensive as IMO this is a personal attack as to by strong beliefs. I know that it is not a personal atteck but IMO it is as I have made no secret of the fact that I am a Christian.

For those who say that they do not believe in things that they cannot see - Do you believe that the wind exists? Last time I looked I couldn't see it yet I could feel its power and witness it's effects. The same applies with God. You cannot see Him but you can feel His power and whether you like it or not you can see the effect that He has on those who believe in Him.

where has he said Christianity specify is bs, if your referring to say BS fair enough poor choice of words.#
peterska2 i can feel the wind and know scientific reasons for wind can you give me proof of god

peterska2 · 01-08-2003, 02:23

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Originally posted by Russ D
Just leave them - if they want to believe then they are free to do so: ditto if they choose not to.

Don't worry Russ.

I'm outta here to go and look after my own site as I have been offline since 8:30 till now and the other mod is away on business so it has been neglected so I could find anything there when I log into it in a min.

I've said my piece on the subject now and unless something major catches my attention I wont be making too many more posts in this thread.

imback · 01-08-2003, 02:25

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Originally posted by peterska2
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Hello

I don't think Kronas did make a personal attatck, as I don't see how an attatck on a belief can personal, to the non believers amongst us it's like saying Man U's football is BS (hey Kronas you know that's true

), it was a genralisation and so could in no way be seens as a personal attack.

I do believe in the wind and I have seen it's "powers" but the only powers I have seen of god in mylife time is watching my family die in pain ( don't tell me, they were sinners

) and TV coverage of innocent people starving to death all over the world. If that's god then I'd say Satan would be closer to the truth.

Hope you new PC went to plan by the way

darkangel · 01-08-2003, 02:25

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Originally posted by imback
like saying Man U's football is BS

keep saying that and u can settle this argument for us

Russ · 01-08-2003, 02:26

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It can be said that there is no proof that God Exists, though Equally it can be said that there is no proof that he DOESN'T exist.

The difference being we do not need proof.

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As far as I am aware at no point in any religious guide does it state "You should pay me to worship me, and those who speak for me or claim to, should expect this reward in return for talking to you" Yet we pay, why? because we have been conditioned to do so.

No, it's because the Bible states we are to give the first 10% of our earnings back to him. I'll try and find the reference. If you think your local church is embezzeling the funds then feel free to report them to the local authority. But contrary to popular belief, not ALL churches are rolling in it. Catholic and C of E churches maybe, but that's a different story....

kronas · 01-08-2003, 02:29

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Originally posted by imback

I do believe in the wind and I have seen it's "powers" but the only powers I have seen of god in mylife time is watching my family die in pain ( don't tell me, they were sinners )

sorry to hear that

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and TV coverage of innocent people starving to death all over the world. If that's god then I'd say Satan would be closer to the truth.

they will be provided a better life in heaven once they reach there