have you had religious experiances

[darkangel]

Originally posted by peterska2
The good thing about Christianity is that we know that we are perfect but as long as we ask for forgiveness for our wrongs we know that we cannot have these held against us for Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins and so we are guarenteed forgiveness for them as long as we are truely repentant and seek forgiveness from God.

prime example to why religion is bull****, u can do whatever u want but as long as u say sorry to god it's ok and if u can't repent it away or drown in it in dogma it or the action isn't really Christian

[Mark W]

Originally posted by Russ D
What if it happens so much that kids growing up believe it's the norm?

i doubt that there would be that many same sex unions to replace hetrosexual unions as the 'norm'.

I'm left feeling that what you really mean is 'right' or 'proper' instead of 'the norm'.
So WHAT if kids growing up thought it was the norm? surely the most important thing in a family is a loving enviroment? or is the fear that gay/lesbian parents will brainwash their children to follow their sexual orientation - and even if they DID, that would be no different from some hetrosexual parents turning thier backs on their children when they 'come out of the closet' would it?

It should be noted that it is NOT homosexuality that is frowned upon - it's homosexual activity which is negated in the Bible.

i dont understand - its ok to BE gay, just dont act it? that puts homosexuality on the same level as a CRIME does it not? - its ok to think about bricking your neighbours window - just dont do it?

Homosexual unions are not natural as nature intended...

not natural as nature intended?? why do people always turn to that old chestnut when talking baout homosexuality??
nor are life saving operations, blood transfusions, trans atlantic flights, space travel etc i dont see anyone (well, ok a few people do) crying out againsed them??

as long as they do not go imposing them (their views) on other people

ahhhh....so homosexuals cant go imposing their views on sexual orientation on anyone, but its ok if its the church? beacause, make no mistake about it, thats EXACTLY what they are doing .....

I am usually a little too tolerent of gays if you ask me

I dont beleive in religion.

I dont deny that jesus ever existed, he almost certainly did. As for his claims well......It just makes me think of David Icke and a few others. Yes his views and teachings changed the world, but the religious fighting that sprouted up from it probably means it may have done more harm than good.
Yes I have to point out that old nugget religious wars. It seems that every war has its heart seated in religion at some level, even if it is an extremist faction. Its still there.

I feel that if there was a god that he would have made himself known by now, especially when you look at the history of the 20th Century, how many people must have asked "why god?" Did he answer, maybe to them, probably not to anyone.
Did he allow the holocaust because the jews killed his son? The jews believe they are hated because of this.
Lets face it if mankind ever needed proof of God it is now. Sadly for some that are way to involved in it all they will, in my view, be very dissapointed.


Just my thoughts
Peace to all
I tolerate all religions as long as they dont try to make me see things their way.
Each to their own I say

[Russ]

prime example to why religion is bull****, u can do whatever u want but as long as u say sorry to god it's ok and if u can't repent it away or drown in it in dogma it or the action isn't really Christian

And that's a prime example of complete and utter ignorance.

Is there any reason for you to get offensive? Oh let me guess, you weren't being offensive, "just expressing your views"...

i doubt that there would be that many same sex unions to replace hetrosexual unions as the 'norm'.

I'm left feeling that what you really mean is 'right' or 'proper' instead of 'the norm'.
So WHAT if kids growing up thought it was the norm? surely the most important thing in a family is a loving enviroment? or is the fear that gay/lesbian parents will brainwash their children to follow their sexual orientation - and even if they DID, that would be no different from some hetrosexual parents turning thier backs on their children when they 'come out of the closet' would it?

if I'm to be considered 'stuck in my ways' over anything, it's that children should have a mother and a father. I point-blank refuse to back down from that stance, now and in the future.

I don't doubt that gays have a lot of love to give, but what about a child from a same-sex "union" (I hate that word) in school? Think of the flack from fellow pupils.

i dont understand - its ok to BE gay, just dont act it? that puts homosexuality on the same level as a CRIME does it not? - its ok to think about bricking your neighbours window - just dont do it?

From an odd pojnt of view, you're not far from it. If I may be crude for a moment, it's such activity as gay sex which I find deplorable and is discouraged in the Bible. It's one thing to have urges (we all have sexual urges) but it's another matter to act on them.

Yes I have to point out that old nugget religious wars. It seems that every war has its heart seated in religion at some level, even if it is an extremist faction. Its still there.

How many more times are apparently intelligent people going to come out with that worn-out piece of rubbish??? Religion does not cause wars and never has done. People have indeed USED it as an excuse to fight. It's like saying football causes fighting just because of the hooligan element.

I feel that if there was a god that he would have made himself known by now, especially when you look at the history of the 20th Century, how many people must have asked "why god?" Did he answer, maybe to them, probably not to anyone.

He will make himself known when He's good and ready. This is HIS planet, not ours. We're just tenants.

Lets face it if mankind ever needed proof of God it is now

From that comment I assume that you (along with many others on this forum) have not properly researched Christianity and what it's about....

(/has images of people quickly flipping through google for some information...... )

Originally posted by Russ D
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How many more times are apparently intelligent people going to come out with that worn-out piece of rubbish??? Religion does not cause wars and never has done. People have indeed USED it as an excuse to fight. It's like saying football causes fighting just because of the hooligan element.

Ok maybe i didnt make it clear, what I was saying is that Religion has been used as an excuse for war. If you dig deep enough into the relevant beliefs and history of the key players I am sure some form of religious misgiudance is there. And if look at some wars, usually say between the seiks and the hindus, the muslims and the christians, then religion is definately the cause of these wars.

he will make himself known when He's good and ready. This is HIS planet, not ours. We're just tenants.

Oh? well seeing as I dont beleive in him I dont have to pay rent

From that comment I assume that you (along with many others on this forum) have not properly researched Christianity and what it's about....

Its odd, but I dont see why I would waste my time researching something that offers me no comfort, something I dont believe in (and believe me I have tried, I used to go to church and I used to get stick for it) something that can inflict such pain on others, as in the church's views on homosexuality.



I agree with your views on same sex couples adopting children, yes fine they may be happy, but the kids are going to be tortured by the school bullies.

At the end of the day Russ, the one thing we all are is Human, and I certainly wont judge people on the basis of their chosen religion.

[darkangel]

russ:what denomination are u exactly?

[Russ]

Ok maybe i didnt make it clear, what I was saying is that Religion has been used as an excuse for war. If you dig deep enough into the relevant beliefs and history of the key players I am sure some form of religious misgiudance is there. And if look at some wars, usually say between the seiks and the hindus, the muslims and the christians, then religion is definately the cause of these wars.

Ok then, so would I be justified in saying football causes fighting and is at the root of just about every brawl?

Oh? well seeing as I dont beleive in him I dont have to pay rent

That's your choice! I've never said you have to believe

Its odd, but I dont see why I would waste my time researching something that offers me no comfort, something I dont believe in

Agreed but then again without researching the subject it's hard for a valid discussion to continue if you are not fully aware of what you are agruing/discussing against.

something that can inflict such pain on others, as in the church's views on homosexuality.

ANYONE inflicting pain on others is not following Christ's teachings.

At the end of the day Russ, the one thing we all are is Human, and I certainly wont judge people on the basis of their chosen religion.

And neither would I! At last something we agree on

russ:what denomination are u exactly?

Pentecostal Christian, although I was Catholic until I was 18, nothing something I'm too happy with.

[peterska2]

If we are talking denominations then I will say that I am Salvation Army

[imback]

I must have missed this thread on .com a while back I guess.

I find god impossible to believe in, but this is just a personal view. And I will use the same old arguments as always, why d so many have to suffer it the big man could sort it all out.

Some guy on another forum told me "god is for people that can't accept that life is just this".

[Russ]

Originally posted by imback
I must have missed this thread on .com a while back I guess.

I find god impossible to believe in, but this is just a personal view. And I will use the same old arguments as always, why d so many have to suffer it the big man could sort it all out.

Ok this is going to be a VERY quick recap, but basically because Adam and Eve couldn't behave themselves, sin was allowed to stay in the world.

Lucifer (an angel at the time) was impressed with what God created and wanted some of it for himself and rebelled against Him. God then allowed Lucifer limited power on earth with the provision that if someone turned their back on the evil one and gave their life to Big G, Lucifer would never have their soul.

As a result Lucifer/Satan and his 'boys' are out to cause sin, pain and mayhem wherever possible.

Sorry for the rough draft but it's just too long a story to explain it all!

[imback]

Originally posted by Russ D
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Thanks for filling me in Russ

But still this must mean god is vengfull? To watch young children die hideous deaths, no matter if they are "going to better place".

I feel people who realy are believer, not just the ones that go to church once a year, they must very strong and dedcated people. I man it is al about fait, you are being asked to dedicate you who life to somehting you have never seen.

Russ, I have a question thats to do with Religious Education.

I have recently turned 27, no significance here, but it helps to set that I was in senior school from 1987 to 1992.
We were made to study RE between 1st and 3rd year. Even if we had been muslim we would have had to learn all about christianity.....which seems wrong to me somehow, I dont remember learning about other religions, and I'll confess mostly RE was a chance to get my head down for a quick hours nap......or annoy the teacher by claiming I worshipped satan (well I was a known metalhead in the school lol)

But in this day in age, russ, do you think as a religious person that religion should be forcefully taught in schools, or do you think it would be better to offer it to those who want to choose it?
Either way it would teach about all religion.

[Russ]

Originally posted by imback
Thanks for filling me in Russ

But still this must mean god is vengfull? To watch young children die hideous deaths, no matter if they are "going to better place".

I feel people who realy are believer, not just the ones that go to church once a year, they must very strong and dedcated people. I man it is al about fait, you are being asked to dedicate you who life to somehting you have never seen.

At last!! Someone who knows a bit!!!

Yes God is a vengfull god but only against those who constantly sin. As for hideous deaths, my opinion (and this is exactly that: my opinion, this is not neccessarily that of each Christian) is that whatever day they died, that was always marked as their 'death-day'. God had chosen that day for when they would pass on. Now the route in which they took to death is down to many factors.

For example they might die in a road accident, in which case it could be painless. They could die horrible deaths such as the Soham murders, in which case it would have been one man's (plus a woman?) actions inspired by the evil one. Had the killer not listened to Lucifer that day then I'm sure the 2 girls would have dies another way, again maybe a car accident or similar.

I'm not too good at theological explanations, I hope that made sense

Russ, I have a question thats to do with Religious Education.

I have recently turned 27, no significance here, but it helps to set that I was in senior school from 1987 to 1992.
We were made to study RE between 1st and 3rd year. Even if we had been muslim we would have had to learn all about christianity.....which seems wrong to me somehow, I dont remember learning about other religions, and I'll confess mostly RE was a chance to get my head down for a quick hours nap......or annoy the teacher by claiming I worshipped satan (well I was a known metalhead in the school lol)

But in this day in age, russ, do you think as a religious person that religion should be forcefully taught in schools, or do you think it would be better to offer it to those who want to choose it?
Either way it would teach about all religion.

I certainly do believe children should be taught about all religions, if anything it will teach tolerance and harmony as well as understanding. It should then be down to the parents to guide their children towards which (if any) religion would be best suited. I certainly want my daughter to learn about other faiths, but as parents we want what we think is the best for them, I will encourage her to follow Christianity.

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
Russ, I have a question thats to do with Religious Education.

I have recently turned 27, no significance here, but it helps to set that I was in senior school from 1987 to 1992.
We were made to study RE between 1st and 3rd year. Even if we had been muslim we would have had to learn all about christianity.....which seems wrong to me somehow, I dont remember learning about other religions, and I'll confess mostly RE was a chance to get my head down for a quick hours nap......or annoy the teacher by claiming I worshipped satan (well I was a known metalhead in the school lol)

But in this day in age, russ, do you think as a religious person that religion should be forcefully taught in schools, or do you think it would be better to offer it to those who want to choose it?
Either way it would teach about all religion.

I think that as a pupil in the UK you were quite rightly tought about cristianity (as was I). Goes with the territory.

Originally posted by Ramrod
I think that as a pupil in the UK you were quite rightly tought about cristianity (as was I). Goes with the territory.

yes but also in the UK we have choice of religion. What about all the children born here that have say muslim or jewish parents?