Gay-only schools - Page 3

Russ · 29-07-2003, 18:17

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Originally posted by darkangel
same here with the amount of neo Christan zealot in government in the US

Are you trying to be deliberately offensive to Christians?

If the people you speak of are indeed as bad as you make out, then they do not practise true Christianity.

But that's off-topic.

darkangel · 29-07-2003, 18:17

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Originally posted by Russ D

b) You are indeed trying to bait me in to saying something controversial. I've seen many people before you try it on and fail, I have no reason to assume it will be any different for you.

i am trying to get u to state the reason that influenced u to make the post, imo u have worded the post to hide the real reason u have made the post, i belive we can leave it there.

Russ · 29-07-2003, 18:19

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Originally posted by darkangel
i am trying to get u to state the reason that influenced u to make the post, imo u have worded the post to hide the real reason u have made the post, i belive we can leave it there.

OK I'll come clean.

What influenced me to make the post?

The fact that what they are doing is discrimination, smacks of double standards and if it was the other way around, the pressure groups would be out in force.

And let me tell you that you have no idea what my view on gays is.

darkangel · 29-07-2003, 18:26

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Originally posted by Russ D
Are you trying to be deliberately offensive to Christians?

If the people you speak of are indeed as bad as you make out, then they do not practise true Christianity.

But that's off-topic.

the problem is there is no true Christianity as the bible is a series of contradictions and third, fourth & six thousandth hand stories so nobody can honestly say what true Christianity is at no point have i said anything offensive, if somebody has an ideological issue with something they should state it, maybe i'm wrong but surely if u believe in the bible etc the must influence u in everything u do and say?

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Originally posted by Russ D
OK I'll come clean.

What influenced me to make the post?

The fact that what they are doing is discrimination, smacks of double standards and if it was the other way around, the pressure groups would be out in force.

And let me tell you that you have no idea what my view on gays is.

whats it your opinion on gays then, i personally have no real opinion on gays never really considered it.
why is it discrimination, my original post was meant to say that the irony may be that your post is double standards I'm i wrong if so i apologies

cjll3 · 29-07-2003, 18:29

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Originally posted by Russ D
And let me tell you that you have no idea what my view on gays is.

Still in the closet then?

Russ · 29-07-2003, 18:32

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Originally posted by darkangel
the problem is there is no true Christianity as the bible is a series of contradictions and third, fourth & six thousandth hand stories so nobody can honestly say what true Christianity is at no point have i said anything offensive, if somebody has an ideological issue with something they should state it, maybe i'm, wrong but surely if u belive in the bible etc the must influence u in everythig u do and say?, don't want this to to turn into a personal argument i'll leave it now

There are some basics which are the same throughout the Bible no matter how it is viewed, for example the 10 commandments.

And no it does not influence everything I do or say - if I'm thirsty I don't consult the Bible to help me decide whether I want coke or Dr Pepper.

Now this thread has gone way off-topic. No more about Christianity please, if anyone wants to ask me about it can you please use PM.

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my original post was meant to say that the irony may be that your post is double standards I'm i wrong if so i apologies

Apology accepted.

darkangel · 29-07-2003, 18:39

my initial thought then i read this was that surely an inclusive education system is always better and that it would be better ro change the system to prevent bullying but bullying imo is a human failing and can't be totally eliminated maybe schools of this type could be used in particular cases?

Russ · 29-07-2003, 18:42

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Originally posted by darkangel
my initial thought then i read this was that surely an inclusive education system is always better and that it would be better ro change the system to prevent bullying but bullying imo is a human failing and can't be totally eliminated maybe schools of this type could be used in particular cases?

Good point, are they saying bullying won't take place in this school? Are short/tall/overweight/acne-ridden pupils gauranteed no taunts at all?

darkangel · 29-07-2003, 18:57

just had another thought surely this school will identify pupils and make them more of a target?

cjll3 · 29-07-2003, 19:13

ok, answer this question, what steps do the authorities take to stop the bullying if the kids are to remain in main stream schools?

Russ · 29-07-2003, 19:17

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Originally posted by cjll3
ok, answer this question, what steps do the authorities take to stop the bullying if the kids are to remain in main stream schools?

If they are doing nothing then this needs to be addressed. Opening a school like this does nothing for the problem other than move it along.

cjll3 · 29-07-2003, 19:20

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Originally posted by Russ D
If they are doing nothing then this needs to be addressed. Opening a school like this does nothing for the problem other than move it along.

But you still can't answer the question, what can an education authority do to the prevent bullying? Exclude the bullies from school? Give the children minders?

Stuart · 29-07-2003, 19:40

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Originally posted by Russ D
http://www.raptureme.com/cgi-bin/rrn...Gay__high_scho

What an absolutely absurd idea. Will there be weekly witch-hunts for 'closet hetrosexuals'? What about bisexuals? Would they be allowed???

If there was a hetro-only school, imagine the uproar.

All segregation such as this is bad. People should learn to get on with each other, and tolerate other people's differences.

29-07-2003, 20:46

Since i know nothing about the american experience i cannot really comment on how bullying works in that society, however it is evident in ours that whatever bullying cannot be perpertrated in schools is certainly carried out afterwards.... much of it is continued after hours once the victims have been established as such. I can't see a segregated school stopping the bullying as such, if anything as others here have already pointed out, it will simply create and highlight a further target for bigots.

Notwithstanding all the arguments about the age of knowing your own sexuality... i'm not totally against the idea of this type of school if it means that a child is able to have a hopefully untainted period of learning. In theory, this is heroic and something we all should aspire to.... but the practice is often a disappointment

Children at school come under criticism and bullying for their failing to meet our societal standards of what is considered acceptable regardless of their sexuality. Some are bullied because they appear effeminate or masculine, quietly spoken or sensitive.... they are accused of being gay or lesbian and bullied for their not being like the norm even if they are straight.

I like most people in this thread have no absolute answers.... only questions.

29-07-2003, 21:06

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Originally posted by scastle
All segregation such as this is bad. People should learn to get on with each other, and tolerate other people's differences.

I agree with you on that scastle!

I went to boarding school (all boys) for 6 years, the first 3 years were terrible - I suffered a lot of bullying (physical & mental), because I am small & wear glasses.

Thing is, there wasn't an alternative (or I didn't feel there was) - my Dad was in the RAF & my folks were living abroad and the school culture was such that one never "sneaked" on anyone else so I had to deal with it.

I guess I was lucky in that I did learn to cope. After a while, small as I was (still am lol

) people learned that I would retaliate if picked on physically and they gave up on the taunts etc when I learned to not let it bother me. Some of the worst bullies became my best mates, in the end.

Looking back, I do think I learnt more by not being able to run away - and in a way, I see segregation as a kind of running away from the problem. Imo school should be the one place where everyone can be equal - there are plenty of opportunities to "specialise" outside!

Gaz