[Merged] Foxhunting Ban and the Commons Invasion

Originally Posted by Debsy42

Nidge, I have actually been inside the Houses of Parliament, I went with school many years ago, in fact I feel that ancient I think the PM was Winston Churchill TBH I can't remember that much about it but I don't think a gaggle of giggling schoolgirls presented much of a security risk, we went for Prime Ministers Questions. Was all very exciting stuff at the time

Prime Ministers Questions is the one we went to, I have to agree it was well boring

The Whole of westminster needs a state of the art safety system, i am talking about a control room, cameras, special police with expert training, the underground has NO decent protection! It right under the bloody offices and next to parliment.

The houses of Parliament have a maze of tunnels linking it to No10 downing Street and all the offices connected to the Government. They have cameras all over the place.

well i think there should be more and armed expertly trained guards around no 10 and oother goverment buildings especcially in the buildings themselfs and a clear policy to shoot any git thast a intruder, yes, even if they are wearing a funny hat

[punky]

Trouble is, your damned if you do and you are damned if you don't.

Nothing is full-proof. If you design something, someone will design some way round it. They'll find a weak spot. It comes to the point you over engineer it to the point of American level security (They take into account truck-bombs which a bit of safety glass won't stop and are much easier to carry out), and then everyone says they are paranoid, scare-mongering, and security is too tight.

You don't have to get into the building to kill a politician, and in some respects it is probably easier if you didn't.

Frankly at the time this farce was unfolding on the 24 hour news reports I was reading about the court case in which a man was shot dead after a car chase in excess of 100 mph by a man seeking to get money to buy drugs while his girlfrieind's two small children were in the back seat and I found I could not get worked up one way or the other about foxhunting.

I think we have much worse issues to sort out than whether people should have the right to hunt or not.Gun crime is a serious issue in some parts of the country and I feel this is something that should be discussed with far more passion by our MPs than that shown to 'hunting'.


Incog

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

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I'm like you Coggy, I just cant get worked up one way or another but I honestly think that anyone that is caught trespassing either at Parliament or a royal property should be shot on sight. We could be looking at a country without a government building today if they had been suicide bombers.

Very very stupid people, certainly not the way to influence the public toward your way of thinking

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Chris T

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For clarity, are you for or against fox hunting Towny?

I can see you disagree with the way the law is proposed to be brought about.

[Steve H]

MPs vote to ban hunting with dogs
MPs have voted to ban hunting with dogs despite mass demonstrations and the debate in the House of Commons being interrupted by protesters.
The Bill's second reading was passed by 356 votes to 166 after Rural Affairs Minister Alun Michael insisted the will of the elected chamber would prevail.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3660294.stm

What do you think?

The thugging behaviour by the protesters astounds me tbh. How can they expect to gain respect and be taken seriously when they're behaving like criminals ?

More to the matter at hand... I'm kinda in the middle when it comes to hunting foxes, with dogs. I can see where the country folk are coming from with regards to over population of foxes potentially killing there own animals.. then again it seems rather barbaric.

No doubt that the act will get revoked by the lords, but they're planning on enforcing a parlimentary act to get it through. Seems labour have suceeded in banning something else

[bopdude]

Originally Posted by keithwalton

How dare they bypass the lords on this issue. The lords are not biased with respect to elections and being voted in and such. They are in a better position to make unbiased decisions than the commons, yet this motion has failed the lords the first time.

I heard about this on the news on the way up the M1, radio 1 had a phone in poll and it came out 65% in favour of keeping hunting with dogs. The British public have spoken so what will happen ? will the government push it through despite public opinion, if so are we then living in some sort of starlinist state where freedom of speech and the will of the people doesn't matter ???

Makes you wonder whats next.

Originally Posted by bopdude

I heard about this on the news on the way up the M1, radio 1 had a phone in poll and it came out 65% in favour of keeping hunting with dogs. The British public have spoken so what will happen ? will the government push it through despite public opinion, if so are we then living in some sort of starlinist state where freedom of speech and the will of the people doesn't matter ???

Makes you wonder whats next.

I doubt that poll is anything to go by, first of all those who would support the law are not going to be the ones who are not affected by the ban so are less likely to do something like pphone in. Meanwhile those who dont want it will be outraged and doing everything.

People who will lose something are more likely to fight to keep it than those who wont lose anything

[greencreeper]

I thought it was fantastic It's about time democracy got some balls back - we've been sleeping far too long in this country. Democracy in action - the right to protest. More power to them.

[Lord Nikon]

Originally Posted by Nor

Its unbelievable how lax the security is. Our whole parliament could have been wiped out.

Hmmmm...... and what would happen then? we end up with someone who actually knows something about the country they are supposed to be running apart from their own little niche of it? Perhaps someone who cares about the people? Maybe even someone who wants to cut taxes on fuel, stop motorists being treated as criminals?

And this would be a bad thing how?

[Russ]

I suppose once this is illegal perhaps those who want to carry on with killing foxes could instead try it in countries which allow it?

Originally Posted by dellwear

For clarity, are you for or against fox hunting Towny?

I can see you disagree with the way the law is proposed to be brought about.

Primarily I'm for people being allowed to do what they want without the Government deciding the issue for them. As a secondary issue, I wouldn't go fox hunting myself but unlike many I don't purport to understand the arguments about pest control and whether hunting with dogs or with a shotgun is more effective. To me it is not blatantly, outrageously cruel and it infringes no-one's human rights. Therefore the Government should leave it alone and should certainly not be threatening to abuse its power by invoking the Parliament Act, which was designed to be used over issues of major national importance, and not in persecution of minority interests.

Interestingly, that ignorant Guardian-writing class warrior who was on R4 this morning was in complete agreement with the pro-hunting lobby on one thing, the 'animal rights' issue is a diversion, this is about class struggle, pure and simple.