Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > Computers & IT > General IT Discussion
Register FAQ Community Calendar

GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-09-2004, 23:06   #31
Electrolyte01
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

  Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Old 02-09-2004, 23:15   #32
paulyoung666
Permanently Banned
 
paulyoung666's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: norton , teesside
Age: 58
Posts: 10,571
paulyoung666 has a nice shiny star
paulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny starpaulyoung666 has a nice shiny star
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott


hang on a minute , has electrolyte turned into scott here , the signature is the same
paulyoung666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2004, 23:34   #33
Electrolyte01
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

Yes I have, Richard kindly changed it for me (got sick and tired of that nickname )
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2004, 00:06   #34
keithwalton
Inactive
 
keithwalton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Southampton
Age: 43
Posts: 1,089
keithwalton has reached the bronze age
keithwalton has reached the bronze agekeithwalton has reached the bronze agekeithwalton has reached the bronze agekeithwalton has reached the bronze agekeithwalton has reached the bronze agekeithwalton has reached the bronze age
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

There is not alot of difference between the mx420 and the 440, the latter has a slightly faster core speed, and 128bit memory bus whilst the former has a 64bit bus (going back a fair bit in technolgy there) the 420 has 2.7GB/s of mem b/w compared to the 440 which has either 6.4 or 8 GB/s (depending on if its agp4x or 8x) High end cards these days are in the region of 30+GB/s
http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4mx.html has all the specs on the 4mx, note no pixel or vertex shaders, as quite rightly said its a modern (aka cheap) geforce 2 gts. Solid performer really on older games, nothing fancy but will be 'eck of alot faster than the sis card.

Technology comparison with the rest of the '4 series
http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4.html
nfiniteFX (II) is there name for pixel and vertex shaders, ie dx8+ compatibility
keithwalton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 14:37   #35
Electrolyte01
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

OK I am really confused now, and I mean VERY confused (I hope bifta can help with this )

Just looking at the specs of the MX420, and accordingly the GPU runs at 250mhz, which mine does, but the memory of a MX420 is 166mhz, when mine is 333mhz?

Is this a OEM card since it was from my mates Dell Dimension 8200 or is it mixed with a 440 and 420? Or would looking at the GPU find what it is?
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 14:44   #36
Bifta
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Eglinton, Co. Derry
Posts: 7,640
Bifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny star
Bifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny star
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott
OK I am really confused now, and I mean VERY confused (I hope bifta can help with this )

Just looking at the specs of the MX420, and accordingly the GPU runs at 250mhz, which mine does, but the memory of a MX420 is 166mhz, when mine is 333mhz?

Is this a OEM card since it was from my mates Dell Dimension 8200 or is it mixed with a 440 and 420? Or would looking at the GPU find what it is?
166 = 333DDR, i.e. that's correct, and if I were you, I would forget about overclocking a card that has passive cooling or you might end up testing your smoke alarms, and as Richard said, it's a 420, either his machine has reported it incorrectly (unlikely), he's sent you the wrong card, he's mistaken, or he's lying.
Bifta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 14:45   #37
Electrolyte01
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

But I thought MX's had SDR memory, not DDR
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 14:48   #38
Bifta
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Eglinton, Co. Derry
Posts: 7,640
Bifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny star
Bifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny star
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott
But I thought MX's had SDR memory, not DDR
DDR is SDRAM, Double Data Rate-Synchronous DRAM, main difference being that it supports double the transfers per clock cycle, and the 420's that I've seen do have DDR memory chips.
Bifta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 14:50   #39
Electrolyte01
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

Ahh right, do you know any good cooling products that would fit it so I could overclock it?

Thanks
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 14:56   #40
Bifta
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Eglinton, Co. Derry
Posts: 7,640
Bifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny star
Bifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny starBifta has a nice shiny star
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

The phrase "you can't polish a turd" springs to mind, but if you're really set on shortening it's life then

http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/...=16752&cat=413

will cool the GPU, but the memory will probably also need cooling if you're going to overclock it

http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/...=17622&cat=413

Hardly worth it, you may as well put the money towards eventually buying a decent video card.
Bifta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 14:58   #41
Electrolyte01
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bifta
Hardly worth it, you may as well put the money towards eventually buying a decent video card.
I probably will
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 15:06   #42
Richard M
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Age: 47
Posts: 6,343
Richard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze array
Richard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze arrayRichard M has a bronze array
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

Most 420s do have SDRAM but a few might have DDR.
Richard M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 21:56   #43
Matth
Inactive
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Services: BB:M, TV:XL, Phone:M, Loyalty
Posts: 2,516
Matth has reached the bronze age
Matth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze ageMatth has reached the bronze age
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

From a couple of overclocker sites & forums.

280/366 (or 183, if it reports actual, rather than DDR clock)
275/365

So the overclock achievable is a little less than 10% on the RAM - not surprsing, since it's 6nS RAM which is right on it's 166 (333) clock rating - and no ramsinks, and about 10% on the core, passive heatsinked.

Maybe there might be a little more in the tank, if heroically cooled, but I wouldn't expect much.

Unless you're aiming for records for this particular card, I'd say take an easy overclock, and come inside of those figures, maybe 265 / 350, or don't bother - there isn't enough overclocking reserve to make much difference - unplayable frame rates would still be unplayable, and some of the tests show 0-2% gain from a 10% overclock, others show pretty well the full 10%.
Matth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 22:19   #44
Electrolyte01
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

When doing a test a few days ago, I got it to 300/393.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2004, 22:21   #45
dilli-theclaw
R.I.P.
 
dilli-theclaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Near Sandy Heath transmitter
Services: BT
Posts: 19,325
dilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden aura
dilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden auradilli-theclaw has a golden aura
Re: GeForce 4 MX440 showing as an MX 420?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matth
Unless you're aiming for records for this particular card, I'd say take an easy overclock, and come inside of those figures, maybe 265 / 350, or don't bother - there isn't enough overclocking reserve to make much difference - unplayable frame rates would still be unplayable, and some of the tests show 0-2% gain from a 10% overclock, others show pretty well the full 10%.
Indeed - but some people will try to get even a 1 or 2 fps increase - just for show
dilli-theclaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 02:14.


Server: lithium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
All Posts and Content are © Cable Forum