What did hit the Pentagon?

The people who come up with this cr@p have no lives of their own.


I don't belive any of the cr@p about JFK either.OR the one about the Titanic.Or the s*dding moon trips never having happened.

Some people just seem to want make an already frightening world more frightening.

Why don't they just tell ghost stories like everyone else.

[Russ]

What was the one about the Titanic? That there was a lone gunman on the iceberg? Was he hiding on an icey knoll?

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Russ D

What was the one about the Titanic? That there was a lone gunman on the iceberg? Was he hiding on an icey knoll?

it was the angel russ the angel of death

Originally Posted by Russ D

What was the one about the Titanic? That there was a lone gunman on the iceberg? Was he hiding on an icey knoll?

That they switched one damaged ship for her sister ship on the maiden voyage to perpetuate an insurance fraud.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

That they switched one damaged ship for her sister ship on the maiden voyage to perpetuate an insurance fraud.

omg... This stuff is very funny. Untill you consider the death toll and the impact this will have had on the lives of the friends/relatives

[lsgworldl]

the US gov faked a boat being sunk by the cubans so they could invade that country or were thinking aobut it, dont know if it happened just proves what they are capable of

and I know what hit the pentigon

it was a pigeon moving at real fast speed

[Chris W]

Originally Posted by lsgworldl

it was a pigeon moving at real fast speed

no no no no no... it was superman!

[Richard M]

Don't be silly, he's in a wheelchair!

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by danielf

omg... This stuff is very funny. Untill you consider the death toll and the impact this will have had on the lives of the friends/relatives

I disagree. It's healthy to question what you're told by the authorities and media and your ability to do this without fear is a basic human right which in a lot of places people are denied.


http://www.amnesty.org.uk/deliver/document/14736.html

"Repression of Dissent..."
"...internet users are regularly arrested and imprisoned for exercising their basic right to freedom of expression..."

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Graham

Or any real evidence...

Of course not any real evidence, where do ""I"" get the evidence from??? I haven't been to the Pentagon recently. have you?? I, like you, can only make a decision on what is available through the media.

Therefore I have made my judgement on the reports that I have read and I believe there are some things that don't add up. There are definitely anomalies. These anomalies may be able to be explained but from what I have read they have not been explained to my satisfaction

I may well be wrong but I am perfectly entitled to be sceptical.

Sorry, who's this "they"? The only people I'm aware of who are asserting that the *nose* of the plane went right through are the conspiracy theorists.

They is Lee Avey, head of the Pentagon renovation project:

Lee Evey, head of the Pentagon renovation project, explained how this happened at a press conference on September 15. « The rings are E, D, C, B and A. Between B and C is a driveway that goes around the Pentagon. It's called A-E Drive. The airplane traveled in a path about like this, and the nose of the aircraft broke through this innermost wall of C ring into A-E Drive. [†¦] The nose of the plane just barely broke through the inside of the C ring, so it was extending into A-E Drive a little bit. So that's the extent of penetration of the aircraft. »

The same Lee Avey also says:

"We made several modifications to the building as part of that renovation that we think helped save people's lives," says Lee Evey, who runs a billion-dollar project to renovate the Pentagon. Theyâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ve been working on it since 1993. The first section was five days from being finished when the terrorists hit it with the plane.
The renovation project built strength into the 60-year-old limestone exterior with a web of steel beams and columns.

"You have these steel tubes and, again, they go from the first floor and go all the way to the fifth floor," says Evey. "We have everything bolted together in a strong steel matrix. It supports and encases the windows and provides tremendous additional strength to the wall."

When the plane hit at 350 miles an hour, the limestone layer shattered. But inside, those shards of stone were caught by a shield of cloth that lines the entire section of the building.

It is a special cloth that helps prevent masonry from fragmenting and turning into shrapnel. The cloth is also used to make bullet-resistant vests.

Contradictory statements really. They've constructed a massive steel reinforcement mesh with Steel "poles" as opposed to usual steel bars which would be much thicker. The plane disintegrated on impact yet according to Mr Avey the nose managed to poke through 3 separate structures.

Through the first "tremendously" strong wall and then through at least 5 more other normally reinforced concrete walls.

Oh yes - that makes perfect sense. Obviously the nose of the plane was rubbed down with anti-newtons laws cream before it hit.

As to why only *one* engine penetrated, as a Civil Engineer consider if one hit a structural support and the other just a blank wall, one would lose a lot more momentum than the other, wouldn't it?

As a civil engineer I read the article. The entire wall was reinforced, there are no "blank" walls as you put it. Even in a normally reinforced structure the difference in steel distribution would not be great becauase in an RC structure such as the Pentagon it is likely the walls and columns are all structural. As oppsed to steel structure where the frame takes all the load and the walls are mere "infills".

[greencreeper]

The only thing I can think of, having seen the video, is that it was an American missile. Consider that either (a) the missile is a secret; (b) the American government didn't want to admit to shooting down a plane full of its own people; or (c) both. If two missiles were fired and one missile missed either because of targetting error or because the first missile destroyed the plane close to the Pentigon, that would explain the damage.

The trouble with these conspiracy theories is that we rely on the "evidence" and "facts" given to us - we have no first hand knowledge. It means that whatever interpretation or explanation we come up with is likely to be flawed. I don't think we (the public) ever hear the full story - just what our Governments think we should hear. It's the concept of the "national interest" - someone deciding for us.

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by greencreeper

(a) the missile is a secret;

Hardly a reason for a cover-up, surely they would have just said it was a standard missile

Originally Posted by greencreeper

(b) the American government didn't want to admit to shooting down a plane full of its own people; or

But they said that was an option they were willing to take, if a plane would not divert its course then they would shoot it down.

Originally Posted by greencreeper

(c) both. If two missiles were fired and one missile missed either because of targetting error or because the first missile destroyed the plane close to the Pentigon, that would explain the damage.

But where did the plane wreckage go? Would someone not have noticed a plane exploding in the air?

[Ramrod]

I can't believe that this thread is still dragging on

[TigaSefi]

well the people demand the truth

Originally Posted by TigaSefi

well the people demand the truth

OK, here it is:

An aeroplane was hijacked by a band of fanatics. They flew it at high speed into the very heart of American military power in a devastating, and symbolically very important, display of defiance against US foreign policy in the Middle East. Everybody on board the plane, and a good number of people in the Pentagon, were killed instantly. A great many families were bereaved and still live with the pain, which is made worse by constant allegations that the whole thing was made up and they are in some way complicit in a massive Government cover up.