Should NTL provide free NIC? - Page 4

Rone · 27-08-2004, 15:02

Hmm so its not just my posts you think are stupid, thats nice to know.

Its not so stupid when you think of it as a kit.
If you go to adsl with plusnet, they provide an internal modem, [which you have to fit btw] and they say thats your job to fit it.
In a similar way BT send you a modem and microfilters, you have to set the external modem up, then insert the microfilters inline with the modem.
So i suppose its asking the question should ntl supply one as part of a "kit".
If you read most technically minded replies to less tech type people, the first answer is "have you got rid of usb and got a network card yet" when connection problems arise.

**Chris** · 27-08-2004, 15:08

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Originally Posted by andrew_wallasey

Im sorry but what a stupid post. Agreed most modern day PCs come with a NIC built in but how could NTL provide a service to people who don't have NICs? I mean who is going to install this NIC in the customers machine because its treading on very dodgy ground ntl engineers opening up customers PCs to install a NIC. What would happen if he broke the machine, who would pay for the repair? So for the average joe bloggs who had no idea about computers and just wants faster internet he would not install a NIC in his computer and would be perfectly happy with USB.

So what NTL have done is perfectly correct providing people with the option of what they want.

Calm down a bit m8. You may disagree with what GC says but that doesn't mean his view is stupid. Looking at it especially in the context of this entire discussion (which I suspect you haven't read, or at least not properly) I think it's quite sensible.

All he is saying is that NTL should encourage people to connect via ethernet where possible instead of USB. We've discussed already at some length the pitfalls of NTL engineers installing NICs in customer PCs. But GC makes clear that while he thinks NTL offering free NICs might be a good idea in itself, he accepts they would have to totally disassociate themselves from the install side of it. Nothing stupid there at all.

andrew_wallasey · 27-08-2004, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Chris T

Calm down a bit m8. You may disagree with what GC says but that doesn't mean his view is stupid. Looking at it especially in the context of this entire discussion (which I suspect you haven't read, or at least not properly) I think it's quite sensible.

All he is saying is that NTL should encourage people to connect via ethernet where possible instead of USB. We've discussed already at some length the pitfalls of NTL engineers installing NICs in customer PCs. But GC makes clear that while he thinks NTL offering free NICs might be a good idea in itself, he accepts they would have to totally disassociate themselves from the install side of it. Nothing stupid there at all.

He said in his post "then why do SACMs have a USB port?". That is what I was refering to.

greencreeper · 27-08-2004, 23:04

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Originally Posted by andrew_wallasey

He said in his post "then why do SACMs have a USB port?". That is what I was refering to.

I think he said "If Ethernet is better than USB, and I think we all agree it is (?), then why do SACMs have a USB port?" and went on to qualify the question by saying, "Most PCs these days have a NIC or Ethernet built into the motherboard." Knowing him as well as I do, I think he was asking questions with a view to encouraging debate.

andrew_wallasey · 28-08-2004, 17:09

Yes but my point is what would people do if they could not install a NIC?

paulyoung666 · 28-08-2004, 17:14

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Originally Posted by andrew_wallasey

Yes but my point is what would people do if they could not install a NIC?

get someone who knows how to do it , do it for them

, i would be surprised if everyone in the country doesnt know someone who cant help them

, or have a local place that could do it for a nominal fee

dilli-theclaw · 28-08-2004, 17:18

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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

get someone who knows how to do it , do it for them

, i would be surprised if everyone in the country doesnt know someone who cant help them

, or have a local place that could do it for a nominal fee

I once saw an 'expert' pull out an old NIC card out of a computer while it was turned on

Then he proceeded to put the new one in... all while it was on...

The expression on his face as it started spewing sparks was priceless

This person still 'repairs' computers...

Usually I get them to fix a couple of weeks later - after they've smegged up.....

greencreeper · 28-08-2004, 17:34

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

I once saw an 'expert' pull out an old NIC card out of a computer while it was turned on

Then he proceeded to put the new one in... all while it was on...

The expression on his face as it started spewing sparks was priceless

This person still 'repairs' computers...

Usually I get them to fix a couple of weeks later - after they've smegged up.....

Eeeek. I think you can do that with some servers, but on the whole it's best to switch off, flick the switch at the socket, and start work.

paulyoung666 · 28-08-2004, 18:22

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

I once saw an 'expert' pull out an old NIC card out of a computer while it was turned on

Then he proceeded to put the new one in... all while it was on...

The expression on his face as it started spewing sparks was priceless

This person still 'repairs' computers...

Usually I get them to fix a couple of weeks later - after they've smegged up.....

proper scary

Stop It · 28-08-2004, 19:03

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

I once saw an 'expert' pull out an old NIC card out of a computer while it was turned on

Then he proceeded to put the new one in... all while it was on...

The expression on his face as it started spewing sparks was priceless

This person still 'repairs' computers...

Usually I get them to fix a couple of weeks later - after they've smegged up.....

And you didnt stop him? or was you too busy laughing, haha.

paulyoung666 · 28-08-2004, 19:20

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Originally Posted by Stop It

And you didnt stop him? or was you too busy laughing, haha.

nah it is good repeat buisness for him

dilli-theclaw · 28-08-2004, 19:33

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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

nah it is good repeat buisness for him

Exactly

Besides - he's supposed to be the expert

**Chris** · 28-08-2004, 22:12

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Originally Posted by andrew_wallasey

He said in his post "then why do SACMs have a USB port?". That is what I was refering to.

A classic case of not reading the thread before jumping in with both feet. Actually, I don't think you even read Greencreeper's first post properly. He asked a question, qualified it, and left us to talk about it. It's called stimulating a debate, and it is not stupid.

greencreeper · 28-08-2004, 23:34

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Originally Posted by Chris T

A classic case of not reading the thread before jumping in with both feet. Actually, I don't think you even read Greencreeper's first post properly. He asked a question, qualified it, and left us to talk about it. It's called stimulating a debate, and it is not stupid.

Yes. Also, I sometimes start a thread without having a fixed opinion - the point of the thread is to explore the issue/problem and perhaps reach a view or solution. I think many people do that, but interestingly respondents tend to read the opening post as the poster stating an opinion that's either pro or anti, depending on the respondent's view.