immigration not harmful ?

[kronas]

millions of illegal 'aliens' in the US are to be offered immunity from prosecution under a plan by US president george bush, those coming forward will be rewarded by any state benefit entitlements, those of which will also include tax-deferred savings accounts.

also included in the proposition is to allow the migrants who register with the US government unlimited travel to and from their home countries.

the plan itself is to allow migrants who entered the US who have jobs the right to also apply for citzienship, the job requirement also extends to the amnesty.

†¢Allow illegal aliens working in the United States to create tax-deferred savings accounts that could be withdrawn on return to their home countries. He said this would encourage savings and even capitalization in businesses, houses or land in the aliens' home countries.

†¢Give the aliens access to bilateral agreements the United States has with 20 countries, allowing them to combine earned Social Security credits and receive benefits in their home country. He said the administration would work with its international partners to encourage recognition of the aliens' contributions in both countries.

†¢Give the aliens access to travel, knowing they can "go and return freely to the country of origin for celebrations, funerals or vacations." He said cards would be given to the aliens allowing them to travel back and forth between their home countries and the United States "without fear of being denied re-entry."

source: washingtontimes.com

http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...3433-8727r.htm

i think its a fair idea, or is it just another bush ploy to deport people ?

[paulyoung666]

summat not right hear , if i wanted to go to america to live i would have one hell of a hard time doing it , yet he is going to allow illegals in and give them benefits

With about 30 times more land per person in the USA than the UK, they can well afford to run an amnesty for the benefit of those illegal immigrants who have managed to make a success of their life there - legally earned wages generate tax income for the Government too.

It would be a major problem here however. The UK is already notably more generous than much of Europe in its provision for legal immigrants, which is why they make a beeline for Dover rather than trying to settle in Germany or France, where they know they stand a far greater chance of being booted off home, or getting far less if they are allowed to stay. The last thing we need is to send out a message that the asylum application process is effectively optional, because if you fail but manage to evade capture for long enough you can stay anyway.

Good idea George, don't even think about it, Tony.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

summat not right hear , if i wanted to go to america to live i would have one hell of a hard time doing it , yet he is going to allow illegals in and give them benefits

he proberbly recognises that migrants will do jobs most of us would not dream of doing, also the point that he is mentioning those who have a job are entitled to all that as mentioned in the first post.

[paulyoung666]

how come we are the first safe country for illegals , sorry that was off topic

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by kronas

i think its a fair idea, or is it just another bush ploy to deport people ?

Or a Bush ploy to get more votes from members of ethnic minorities...

(this idea was floated before, about Mexican illegals...comment at the time was that Bush was doing it to try & get more of the Latino vote)

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Chris T

for the benefit of those illegal immigrants who have managed to make a success of their life there - legally earned wages generate tax income for the Government too.

exactly.

Originally Posted by Chris T

It would be a major problem here however. The UK is already notably more generous than much of Europe in its provision for legal immigrants, which is why they make a beeline for Dover rather than trying to settle in Germany or France, where they know they stand a far greater chance of being booted off home, or getting far less if they are allowed to stay. The last thing we need is to send out a message that the asylum application process is effectively optional, because if you fail but manage to evade capture for long enough you can stay anyway.

the plan could still feasibly work, those in this country with jobs get a simaler benefits system if they commit themselves to a working directive scheme which would ensure while they are working they legally pay taxes, acknowledge their holdings, and duely get the benefits of a tax savings and immunity from deportation.

that would be for those in this country illegally, although i hear what you are saying, if you think about it no matter what governments do illegal immigration is a problem.

rich countries with good job prospects will always be attractive, all benefits for illegal asylum seekers should be cut, i thought they were anyway ?

Originally Posted by Matt D

Or a Bush ploy to get more votes from members of ethnic minorities...

(this idea was floated before, about Mexican illegals...comment at the time was that Bush was doing it to try & get more of the Latino vote)

yup i know what your saying, it proberbly is, but he has a point still.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Chris T

With about 30 times more land per person in the USA than the UK, they can well afford to run an amnesty for the benefit of those illegal immigrants who have managed to make a success of their life there - legally earned wages generate tax income for the Government too.

It would be a major problem here however. The UK is already notably more generous than much of Europe in its provision for legal immigrants, which is why they make a beeline for Dover rather than trying to settle in Germany or France, where they know they stand a far greater chance of being booted off home, or getting far less if they are allowed to stay. The last thing we need is to send out a message that the asylum application process is effectively optional, because if you fail but manage to evade capture for long enough you can stay anyway.

Good idea George, don't even think about it, Tony.

Many illegal immigrants are paying taxes in this country by using National insurance numbers applied for in the names of people who are dead. The government has been turning a blind eye to this practice for many years, why should they bother after all they are getting Tax and NI.

I wonder if the same goes on in America, or does their system not allow this loophole.

[Theodoric]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

summat not right hear , if i wanted to go to america to live i would have one hell of a hard time doing it , yet he is going to allow illegals in and give them benefits

That's because you need to be Hispanic and not British. It's a rather blatant ploy by Bush to win the Hispanic vote in states like Texas. If you want some amusement, try some of the American extreme right wings sites. Poor things; they're caught in a terrible bind between supporting Bush and rejecting him because of his immigration policies.