[Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election - Page 9

Stuart · 03-08-2004, 11:57

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv

And you want me to vote for HIM?

Maybe I am missing something, but didn't YOU start the thread to talk about the US election? Or was it just to slag off the democrats in general, and Kerry in particular?

I don't think anyone has actually tried to tell you how to vote (nor should we, it's your vote, your business, not ours).

You appear to be trying to tell us to vote for Bush (although we can't actually vote in the US or Canada so that is ultimately pointless).

However, we do reserve the right to disagree with you. This is a discussion forum after all.

Russ · 03-08-2004, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

And now you tell me you can't even get news on what is happening in America?

OMG

That's probably because not enough people are interested

Xaccers · 03-08-2004, 12:24

Just for Jerrek

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/kerryedwards.php

teeky · 04-08-2004, 17:59

Florida has decided to invest in expensive state-of-the-art electronic voting machines in a bid to avoid the fiasco caused in 2000 when the election was 'rigged' as the man to announce the state winner obviously declared his first cousin (George W Bush) as the new president without actually taking any votes into consideration.
With this new electronic system in operation certain activists are damanding for all machines to give out a reciept to voters to make it fair, even though recently it has been reported the machines have a software problem which affects the vote-counting and there is also a great security risk of hackers.

The world cannot afford another presidential disaster, let's just hope this time they get it right!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3774227.stm

04-08-2004, 18:16

It would prolly help if they didnt illegally strike thousands of black and hispanic voters for the electoral role. Just because they had a name or date of birth similar to a convicted felon.

Jerrek · 05-08-2004, 05:11

More election goodness... (television ad video)

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...video_wmv.html

dilli-theclaw · 05-08-2004, 07:25

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

More election goodness... (television ad video)

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...video_wmv.html

D I L L I G A F

Stuart · 05-08-2004, 09:24

I know I have posted this link before, but I still think this is funny.

You need quicktime to view it.

On a serious note: Does any politician in America actually fight elections in the issues? I see a lot of personal attacking from both sides, but the closest I have seen to any fighting on the issues is John Kerry saying he does/does not (delete as applicable) support the war.

downquark1 · 05-08-2004, 09:54

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Originally Posted by scastle

I know I have posted this link before, but I still think this is funny.

You need quicktime to view it.

On a serious note: Does any politician in America actually fight elections in the issues? I see a lot of personal attacking from both sides, but the closest I have seen to any fighting on the issues is John Kerry saying he does/does not (delete as applicable) support the war.

exactly they aren't electing a member of the family, they electing a leader of the country, so I don't care if they flip flop, or look french or once drove into a hedge drunk, I care about their policies.

Stuart · 05-08-2004, 10:03

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Originally Posted by downquark1

exactly they aren't electing a member of the family, they electing a leader of the country, so I don't care if they flip flop, or look french or once drove into a hedge drunk, I care about their policies.

Good point. Politics should be about issues and policies. Sadly, recently, our Government appear to have followed the American idea (attack the person, their policies don't matter as long as you make them look bad).

Jerrek · 05-08-2004, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle

I know I have posted this link before, but I still think this is funny.

You need quicktime to view it.

On a serious note: Does any politician in America actually fight elections in the issues? I see a lot of personal attacking from both sides, but the closest I have seen to any fighting on the issues is John Kerry saying he does/does not (delete as applicable) support the war.

Bush: We all know where he stands on all issues. He does not make it a secret. He does not negotiate. You can call up any issue and I will tell you exactly where he stands.

He does not need to show people what his policies are. We already know. That gives him the ability to critisize Kerry's positions.

Bush has several ads that bring up Kerry's voting record to inform people of what he did. For example, this one:
mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/FamilyPriorities_256k.wmv

People that support Kerry in these actions would not take it as a negative ad.

This one is a little more on the offense, critisizing Kerry for missing 2/3 of all Senate votes. I mean, what kind of a person can miss 2/3 of his work and still be employed???
mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/priorities_256k.wmv

If this isn't attacking issues, then I don't know what is:
mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/troubling_256k.wmv
mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/wacky_256k.wmv
mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/Troops-FogBCTV-010_256k.wmv

The problem with Kerry is, that apart from his voting record in the Senate, we have NO IDEA what his positions are.

Can anyone tell me here: did he support the war, or not? What is his stance on abortion? And, what is his stance on taxes?

downquark1 · 05-08-2004, 17:17

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Bush: We all know where he stands on all issues. He does not make it a secret. He does not negotiate. You can call up any issue and I will tell you exactly where he stands.

He does not need to show people what his policies are. We already know. That gives him the ability to critisize Kerry's positions.

exactly why the BBC aren't going on about him.

Jerrek · 05-08-2004, 17:58

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Originally Posted by downquark1

exactly why the BBC aren't going on about him.

So much for fair and balanced.

Tezcatlipoca · 05-08-2004, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

I mean, what kind of a person can miss 2/3 of his work and still be employed???

President Bush?

Doesn't he have a habit of going on vacation a lot?

OK, it's not as much as 2/3, but apparently he spent 40% of his 1st year in office on vacation.

And, he has spent more time away so far than 3 of the 4 previous presidents (Clinton, Reagan, Carter).

http://www.counterbias.com/017.html

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

So much for fair and balanced.

Democrat Convention - lots of Kerry coverage

I'm sure there will be more Bush coverage when the Republican Convention takes place.

downquark1 · 05-08-2004, 18:59

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

So much for fair and balanced.

As I said before it is not our election the BBC are not required to make a cause for each political party for each country, it would be impossible as some countries have much more than 2 parties.

In this case John Kerry is new and milding interesting because he is running against Bush, who is very well known now. The British already know what Bush stands for but not Kerry, it is an educational exercise rather than political advertising.